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Posted by AareyBaba 14 hours ago

France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US(apnews.com)
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ChrisArchitect 12 hours ago|
[dupe] Discussion from a week ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46767668
clot27 13 hours ago||
so is there any open source alternative to these meeting apps? (selfhostable)
wongarsu 13 hours ago||
For Teams-like chat I really like Zulip. Which also integrates with Jitsi for video conferencing

If you are hosting webinars there's also bigbluebutton

rectang 13 hours ago|||
It's not open source, but up until a few years ago I used whereby.com for videochats.

Unlike the alternatives at the time from Google, Apple, etc., it didn't require an account for participants — I could just give them the meeting room URL. So although it wasn't open source, it at least didn't lock you into a network.

(Unlike you, I wasn't up for self-hosting.)

kofu 12 hours ago|||
This one is often overlook but very good, I prefer it over Jitsi https://galene.org/
saubeidl 13 hours ago|||
The French government built their own: https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet
euio757 13 hours ago|||
"built their own" wrapper yes (which is a very important piece of a end-to-end Zoom like product)

But you can see:

> Powered by [LiveKit](https://livekit.io/)

Fine since this is an open source product, but not full EU sovereignty of the software stack.

Livekit could at any time change their license and drop support for the free open-source version like so many products have done in the past.

If a EU entity forks it and maintains it, then that'd be end-to-end sovereignty IMO.

saubeidl 8 hours ago||
That might be true philosophically, but tactically it makes no sense to fork until a potential future license change. Why lose the free maintenance from upstream?
fpoling 13 hours ago|||
But they hosted the repo on Microsoft-run GitHub ...
saubeidl 12 hours ago||
The public-facing mirror :-)
MengerSponge 13 hours ago|||
Jitsi? https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet
arm32 13 hours ago|||
I guess Jitsi?
teekert 8 hours ago||
https://meet.proton.me should also be ready for action soon.
philipwhiuk 13 hours ago||
https://www.rocket.chat/
Etheryte 13 hours ago|||
We used to run this back in the day which, granted, was quite a long time ago now. I don't think we ever went longer than a few months without a serious outage of sorts, and that certainly wasn't for a lack of resources or manpower.
gilney 12 hours ago|||
The Jitsi site says rocket.chat uses it.
chaostheory 12 hours ago||
Imo this was inevitable even without Trump. He just massively accelerated it.

The end of globalism also marks the end of the global internet and the transition to regional internets.

lefstathiou 12 hours ago||
As an American, I will echo Trump's speech at Davos. We want strong allies, not vassals. Be capable of building your own EVs, your own rockets, your own fighter jets, your own subway systems, your own zoom alternatives, your own search engines, your own operating systems, etc etc.

Make Europe great again. Bring back creativity. Bring back jobs. Build a talented workforce that stays local instead of migrating to the US. Be independent. Stand tall. Do all of these things and preferrably do them now.

America and China's rise shouldnt be zero sum. It should lift the world. Europe forged the path we all follow. Come back to it.

melesian 12 hours ago|
Patronizing rubbish. The EU builds plenty of EVs, rockets and fighter jets and has far more subway systems and public transport than the US.

Europe is already great. It's why hundreds of thousands of Americans moved here in 2025.

As for being a vassal: Trump was warned of the consequences of invading Greenland and he backed down immediately. Some vassal.

lefstathiou 11 hours ago|||
Latest leaks indicate the US will be given sovereignty over its existing and future bases in Denmark, along with oil drilling rights, at $0 to US tax payers. Some vassal indeed.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 10 hours ago||||
> It's why hundreds of thousands of Americans moved here in 2025.

They should all give me their passports. I want in.

CapricornNoble 11 hours ago||||
Re: fighter jets, the US and China are each producing about 4x as many jets as all of Europe combined. Europe's deliveries (41) barely exceed Russia's (33-39) despite Europe having 3x the population, supposedly superior industrial tech, not being the most sanctioned economy on Earth, etc...

https://aerospaceglobalnews.com/news/2025-fighter-jet-delive...

Re: rockets.....well we don't want to judge by tonnage lifted, where SpaceX dwarfs the entire planet's efforts. Still it appears Europe struggles to put even a handful of new rockets up, so I'm not sure why you are characterizing that as "plenty" either:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/03/20/1113582/europe-i...

> Europe is already great. It's why hundreds of thousands of Americans moved here in 2025.

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS? Citation needed please. A migration of that scale would have journalists writing about it. Accurate data seems hard to come by but one expert puts TOTAL US expat numbers in Europe around 1.1 million.

https://aaro.org/living-abroad/how-many-americans-live-abroa...

> As for being a vassal: Trump was warned of the consequences of invading Greenland and he backed down immediately. Some vassal.

Yes sometimes vassals oppose their suzerain's most egregious overreaches of power successfully. King John of England's barons pressured him to create the Magna Carta. Afterwards...they were still his vassals, as they were before it.

Just ask Mark Rutte: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/01/29/rutte-is-right...

A relevant opinion piece from a European: https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/columns/nothing-more-than...

the_monocle 9 hours ago||
Suprisingly the number does in fact seem to be roughly 80k per year, though a similar amount moved from Europe to the US.

https://schengenvisainfo.com/news/over-75000-americans-moved...

real source here: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/migr_resfirst...

techright75 12 hours ago|||
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lenerdenator 13 hours ago|
If only they'd taken the same approach with Russian natural gas in 2008.
DaSHacka 10 hours ago|
But that'd be difficult, and the EU is all about easy PR wins