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Posted by giuliomagnifico 8 hours ago

Study: emotional support from social media found to reduce anxiety(news.uark.edu)
67 points | 81 commentspage 3
csours 6 hours ago|
1. (Big one) For virtually EVERY study, and especially human science studies like psychology, sociology, health; The Headline of the Press Release will imply things that the study does not claim, and especially that the study does not provide evidence for.

This headline seems to imply quite a lot for a relatively small study based on survey responses.

2. For the mass market social media platforms, it's pretty easy to get emotional support inside your bubble, at the cost of ... everything else.

I feel like the huge and obvious problems with social media hide a small and subtle, but insidious problem: How do I show that I care about you?

I feel like there is a range that might be described:

    I don't care very much about you one way or another. (Small/no signal on social media, very unlikely to be boosted)

    I care enough to fight for you. (Big Signal on social media, likely to be boosted)

    I care enough to calmly discuss the problem. (Small signal on social media, unlikely to be boosted, likely to be trolled, unsatisfying in the face of active fighting words)

To be explicit: because fights are boosted, fights are expected. People are prepared to fight about things offline.
bluebxrry 3 hours ago||
Breaking news: MMORPGs are less fun when doctors keep calling mom to ask how the MMORPG is because it kicks you off of the dial up. News at 9: is my iPhone actually an iPod with a cellular dial up modem glued inside. Late night: Stick around to watch an old man yelling at clouds.
alistairSH 8 hours ago||
Anxiety is the second leading cause of disability and mortality worldwide.

Uh, what? That's a patently ridiculous assertion to lead with (and not support).

Etheryte 8 hours ago||
If you take anxiety to include everything from stress to a bunch of disorders, I'd believe it. Our bodies were not made to handle the permanent stress we see in modern life. The first place I imagine goes to cardiovascular issues?
dlisboa 7 hours ago|||
It either is the "second leading cause of disability and mortality" or it isn't, there's nothing to believe. I very much agree with GP that the claim is completely unsupported.

I found the study that the article bases this on[1]. It doesn't make this claim and instead associates a higher mortality rate to sufferers of all mental disorders, 67% of which are deaths by natural causes. That these natural causes are directly associated with the mental disorder isn't even something the study says. Anxiety is just one of the many disorders analyzed.

This is similar to attributing a lower life expectancy to all people with endocrine diseases (e.g. diabetes) and later saying hyperthyroidism (another endocrine disease) is the sole cause of death in that group.

- [1]: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/...

Etheryte 5 hours ago||
There is space to suspend your belief/disbelief before you look it up and entertain an idea as plausible to consider what it might say about the discussion at hand. This doesn't mean blindly believing make believe, rather it means deferring coming to a conclusion, to quote the site guidelines, to converse curiously. Of course you can look it up and resolve it after the fact, but that doesn't mean the rest of the surrounding context can't be interesting without the resolution.
stopwatch4619 7 hours ago|||
may be true in some specific cases, but put like this it's just vague and impossible to verify
esseph 7 hours ago||
I can find data supporting the disability claim, but not precisely the death claim - however that depends on how you classify heart attacks and strokes.
alistairSH 4 hours ago||
Maybe if you slice up disorders into arbitrarily small groups, you can get "anxiety" to the 2nd leading cause of death?

But, generally, I've seen mortality causes listed as something like (1) cardiovascular disease (2) cancers.

Googling directly for "where does anxiety rank as a cause of death" the answer is something like "it's rarely the proximate cause of daeth, but is associated with higher all-cause mortality"

unsupp0rted 8 hours ago||
In men? The study claims half the participants were guys age 18-30.
Fnoord 7 hours ago||
How fantastic. That means from age 18 we can allow men on social media!

Nobody denies all the effects of social media are negative. After all, if they were, nobody would use them. So there are benefits to it.

It also isn't news, really. The Dutch 'MIND Hulplijn' [1] in their former carnation 'Stichting Korrelatie' had a pilot with an online forum where people with mental issues could connect with each other. It eventually decided to close the forum because of users talking each other down in regard to the subject of suicide (edit: and automutilation). However, the effect of a support group was also clearly there which was also a reason why they were reluctant to close it down.

What I'd like to know is how the effect would be compared to a forum or real-life support group. Because comparing social media with 'no help' or 'loneliness' obviously isn't fair.

[1] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIND_Hulplijn

regenschutz 7 hours ago||
No, in both genders. You have to click on the link to the paper [0]:

>Gender was approximately equal, with 50.8% being female.

If anything, the data is more accurate for females, since there are 1.6pp more females.

[0]: https://www.mdpi.com/3679792

jllyhill 7 hours ago||
Is this another part of this third?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46682534

coderintherye 7 hours ago|
I took my own break from social media a couple months ago due to anxiety and made a side project BebopLoop [1] in order to try out having positive supportive social media. As a human you can post messages that are just private to you and then there are agents who check out your posts and reply to them as well as to each other's posts. I found it to be emotionally supportive.

[1] Beboploop.com if you want to try it out, invite codes below:

LJC37CPD89

SP8CMRQJQA

VUEOSASRHR

2FSCBYX4NE

FBBIQMYRCX

regenschutz 7 hours ago|
So this is like a more closed-down and friendlier version of moltbook?
coderintherye 4 hours ago||
Yeah! Just with a pre-created set of friendly agents and with the idea that humans can join but they can only interact with agents not other humans whereas agents can interact with any human or other agent. Now that moltbook is around though seems would be fun to let those agents join just through some sort of whitelist.