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Posted by mxfh 2 days ago

Spotlighting the World Factbook as We Bid a Fond Farewell(www.cia.gov)
184 points | 149 commentspage 3
Gollapalli 1 day ago|
This is such a loss
jl6 2 days ago||
What is now a good source of aggregated population statistics?
0xDEAFBEAD 2 days ago|
Maybe Our World in Data? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population?tab=map
lambertsimnel 1 day ago||
There's also World Bank population data (but it seems only to go up to 2016): https://databank.worldbank.org/source/subnational-population...
shevy-java 2 days ago||
Hmmm. They do not mention Wikipedia, but the CIA book kind of had information about countries for a very long time. I get that Wikipedia would objectively make more sense; so while it may make sense to stop investing resources into the CIA book, I still think it would be better to keep tabs on the content of Wikipedia. Kind of like a secondary quality control. It may not be hugely important here, but if 100.000 other websites vanish, I still think it may be an indirect problem for Wikipedia, as all its presented facts may become increasingly more and more circular to itself - which is made worse by AI slop spamming down the global quality.
pimlottc 2 days ago||
Kids who grew up playing Carmen Sandiego will definitely remember it fondly
secretballot 2 days ago||
I played a bunch of that too, was that a cited source for it? Don’t remember. I do recall that the very-early-90s geopolitics simulation game Shadow President contained large portions of the fact book in its in-game information system (with citations, which is my first recollection of ever knowing of the thing by name)

I later leaned on the Web version of the factbook quite a bit for basic country stats in undergrad.

I don’t know of a replacement of comparable quality. Damn good resource. Not that you can necessarily trust a government source, and especially one from an intelligence agency, but most of what it covered wasn’t exactly useful for the kind of propaganda you’d expect the US government to push, so you could expect it to broadly be a sincere attempt at describing reality (it didn’t hurt that it wasn’t a super-widely-known resource outside certain academic disciplines, so lying about e.g. the major exports of Guyana or whatever wouldn’t have much effect anyway, lowering the likelihood that anyone would bother)

pimlottc 1 day ago||
Whoops, I was mistaken, I was thinking of The World Almanac and Book of Facts that was included in the original version of the game as a player reference.
transcriptase 2 days ago||
As it stands you only need a few friends or likeminded journalists at a few major publications to repeat the same falsehood, and it becomes a properly cited fact on Wikipedia and in the public eye for as long as you need it to be. If it’s later proven to be a falsehood and the underlying sources quietly issue retractions it doesn’t matter.

How many people out there still believe the Hunter Biden laptop story, and all the politically damaging material on it was Russian misinformation?

pjc50 1 day ago||
Given how all that vanished once Trump won, the propaganda having served its purpose, it seems my decision to write it off as chaff was vindicated.

Remember "lock her up?" Remember how that vanished as well and there was not, in fact, any effort to lock her up?

(the problem of submarining stuff into Wikipedia is real though, and a by-product of it being the most trusted reference)

personjerry 1 day ago||
> ... has sunset

No accountability in the language

No rationale

No fucks given

What was the point of this post?

theturtle 2 days ago||
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DaveZale 2 days ago||
they swapped out the "t" for an "e"

/s

crazygringo 2 days ago||
It made sense in an age of print. But in the era of Wikipedia it's not really needed anymore. If you want population statistics or whatever, Wikipedia will tell you and link to the country's own official metrics. You don't need the CIA to collate it all for you.

And, as multiple commenters here have noted, it's on the Internet Archive. So let's just cherish it as another print tradition that would inevitably end.

simonw 2 days ago||
It hasn't been a print-first publication in many years - the site was updated weekly.

It's also where a lot of the facts on Wikipedia came from. This is a real loss.

I trust CIA over official population numbers from a lot of countries. There was a thread on here recently that pointed out a lot of countries haven't conducted an effective census in many years, if at all: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46810027

edsu 1 day ago|||
Yes, apart from the loss of the publication as a historical artifact, it is the loss of the continuing process that kept it up to date as a representation of the present (with whatever flaws you always have with such representations).
stopbulying 1 day ago|||
Hopefully the next admin will regain an understanding of the value of the World Facebook collection of somewhat-vetted facts and opinions.
shmeeed 1 day ago||
Please no World Facebook
stopbulying 21 hours ago||
What if they call theirs Truthbook Bader Ginsberg? Like RBGPAC
jfengel 2 days ago|||
Wikipedia isn't a source. Wikipedia gathers data from elsewhere, including the World Factbook.

Wikipedia has other sources for most of that information. It comes from organizations like the UN, which the administration detests, and now lacks its own way of gathering that information.

t-3 2 days ago|||
Wikipedia is nowhere near the same level of quality or trustworthiness.
techblueberry 1 day ago|||
Start paying attention to references next time you look for a piece of factual information about a country.
crazygringo 1 day ago||
...I do?

A lot of stuff in Wikipedia doesn't have great references, but for the types of stats and facts in the World Factbook, it's generally quite excellent.

burnt-resistor 2 days ago||
> It made sense in an age of print.

Reading books is still important. That has nothing to do with the CIA factbook website edition.

Archiving copies of internet-published information is important, especially when a regime lies, tries to rewrite history, and destroys knowledge and public resources regularly.

> So let's just cherish it as another print tradition that would inevitably end

Self-fulfilling prophecy, learned-helplessness doomer fallacy. It only ended because some assholes ended it.

kittikitti 2 days ago|
Why would anyone trust this? Even as a small child, I found their "Factbook" to be highly dubious. I bet MAGA hated the pages on Greenland, Venezuela, and Israel; even when presented with distorted facts. I'll give the CIA credit for taking it down before MIGA forced them to publish obvious propaganda. That's something Mossad is better suited for. These intelligence agencies have lost all of their reputation and credibility.