Posted by connor11528 2 days ago
In an absurd way, if you were obese and bought a 12 pack of soda and a bag of chips, rationally it would be more valuable for you to throw the products away instead of consuming them. similarly an alcoholic that buys alcohol is doing a negative purchase.
gambling has zero silver lining — its straight up negative value.
And then there’s the leverage per dollar aspect of our economy. If the average american is convinced they need an enormous car, gigabit internet, and streaming services, then yes our economy will be growing, but with things that aren’t fundamentally changing our well being.
Give me child care, healthcare, great education and more leisure time, not a gambling addiction, larger screens and diabetes.
Surprisingly I tried to look at economic indicators that tried to quantify growth aligned with some subjective societal wellbeing metric and couldn’t find anything serious
We need metrics that are actually tied to human happiness, not human suffering.
The money was being spent, but the system didn't account for who was spending it. When her parents died, they had just gotten out of bankruptcy from taking out a second mortgage to cover late life and end of life care costs. She was left destitute and houseless.
Now, her daughters are paying to care for their mother. Per the article, these expenses, perversely, are proof of a successful economy under the current measurements.
My free checking account counts towards consumer spending, wtf?
The number of examples the author provides is impressive
.gov requires cars to have so many features that the incentives push them further and further towards higher margin vehicles.
> gigabit internet
Why should this be a guilty pleasure when gigabit internet approaches a basic commodity that's broadly available in developed countries that built internet infra out after us and aren't captured by ancient telcos? Gig, multigig, 10G is going to start being available in places like South Korea. US lags behind on Speedtest charts: https://www.speedtest.net/global-index
>Give me child care, healthcare, great education and more leisure time
If you stop working and maybe are in the right demographic, this can all be yours and have more provided if you just apply for it. Work with other families doing the same thing and you can get very creative with it.
But this doesn't change that richer countries really are better off than poorer countries, and GDP is a reasonable measure of that.
"Growth" is based on GDP. Look who captured the lion's share by looking at the "growth" in income inequality.
It's not hard to see why people are mad, the rich get way richer, we get higher prices and tariffs
Generally I found this a good read
I had absolutely no idea. This makes a lot of sense now - “consumer spending” keeps going up, but anecdotally I don’t see or hear of people with more disposable income
This one in particular, where I really resonate with the whole thesis of we aren't spending money the same way anymore.
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2025/05/the-limits-of-con...
There is a lot to discuss there but I find this paragraph interesting.
> What we are seeing here is the replacement of normal human relationships with virtual monetized relationships.
> It could be argued that virtual prostitutes have seen an increase in their living standards, but in reality, they have likely just replaced being in a relationship in which a man pays for gifts, trips, and other things with virtual prostitution.
The classic incel meme involves a sort of diagram where there is small fraction of men getting the lions share of the sexual attention from women.
But there is this sort of dual one where an extremely small number of women on onlyfans, who themselves are a small fraction of all women in total, make up the majority of all income/attention.
https://www.unitedforalice.org/essentials-index
Which was new to me, but puts some numbers behind the non-discretionary discretionary spending concept raised by this article.
Microsoft makes money on AI. Of course every single one of their products now makes you want to tear your hair out by the roots while screaming, but there's no metric for Windows being unusable or for the massive wave of AI-assisted cheating sapping value from education and science...
Who? Obviously they are ignoring monopolies but I thought that was more of a quiet corruption thing.
Not very far in and this seems like a propaganda piece already. I’m not even gonna claim they don’t care about middle class wages going up, but they have way too many side quests to claim that’s all they care about.