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Posted by WaitWaitWha 2 days ago

ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use(www.biometricupdate.com)
281 points | 363 commentspage 3
usernomdeguerre 2 days ago|
> ICE says it is attempting to better understand how commercial big data providers and advertising technology firms might directly support investigative activities, while remaining sensitive to “regulatory constraints and privacy expectations.”

That's rich and i'll believe it when they respect the written law.

To be clear, I fully expect other departments have been investigating these sorts of things in past and present, but ice have conducted themselves differently now and should be treated accordingly.

tokyobreakfast 2 days ago||
This must be a real conundrum for the surveillance capitalist weekend 'resisters' who created this technology in the first place. "Oh, but it's not evil when we use it."
kybernetyk 2 days ago|
"It's my job - I just followed orders"
uwagar 2 days ago||
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sham1 2 days ago||
But why though? Why shouldn't they be restricted to only using the tools they're legally entitled to? And why shouldn't they be held in account when they act like the SA just because they're "enforcing immigration law"?
uwagar 1 day ago||
i suppose with this idea, they only homin in on illegals that use smartphones who willingly offer their realtime location to their app providers and is already sold, ICE could just buy it off them like others. they doin nothing illegal while illegals are illegally in the country bro.
donkeybeer 1 day ago|||
Of course, I propose ICE should have total view of all computers, phones and devices to aid them in their job. Begin by making yours public.
subscribed 1 day ago|||
Is it though? Or is it attacking and killing American citizens in the street, trafficking legal residents to the notorious prisons, starving and killing the captured in the concentration camps.

Not sure how much of the heavy lifting is your "if" and the qualifier does, but I hope it's just sarcasm.

_DeadFred_ 2 days ago|||
ICE is normalizing police hiding behind masks. ICE is normalizing violating people's (hard fought and won in the Supreme Court) 1st amendment right to film the police, so that ICE can do their work in secret.

ICE is using biometrics on people who have not broken any law, then saying the federal government will be doing whatever it can in its power to penalize those people now that they have been identified as doing... absolutely nothing illegal but stuff the impedes ICE's ability to operate in secret (among other things a violate of those people's due process rights).

We don't do the whole 'secret police' thing in the USA, and we tend to get angry when the Government violates our Constitutional rights.

jacquesm 1 day ago||
The stormtroopers in Star Wars look like they do to be some kind of extreme in anonymous abuse of power. Their squeaky clean white exterior is literally a whitewash of that abuse. That's the one trick that ICE could still pull to complete the transition.
saubeidl 2 days ago|||
But that's not what they're doing and you and I both know it.

They're murdering political dissidents, they're kidnapping and torturing US citizens, they're terrorizing the streets.

orthecreedence 2 days ago||
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tosapple 2 days ago||
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emodendroket 2 days ago||
I don't think there is really anything "woke" about wanting to sell products to people who speak Spanish but what do I know. What does this even have to do with the article?
tosapple 2 days ago||
First it's your nationality, then your language. Next maybe you're church or your music.

Data is a liability, it's omnipresent. Permeating.

michaelsshaw 2 days ago|||
Maximum incoherence. If English is your first language, please seek medical attention immediately.
emodendroket 1 day ago|||
Foreign language ads could be done just based on the content with no behavioral targeting.
pstuart 2 days ago||
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throwfaraway135 2 days ago||
I'm against this type of surveillance everywhere, but seeing the holier than thou attitude of some of the comments rubs me the wrong way.

Doing basically the same for people who are on the Epstein list was OK, but now it's wrong?

direwolf20 1 day ago|
Uh yeah, it's ok to track and arrest confirmed pedophiles, but not normal people at random
throwfaraway135 1 day ago||
The last time I looked illegal immigration is still illegal.

I don't see people protesting en masse to take Clinton, Trump, Gates etc. accountable. Maxwell Ghislaine is alive and well, and they can't get a incrementing confession.

But somehow people loose their shit when some MS-13 gang members get arrested.

direwolf20 1 day ago|||
MS–13 is running amok in Minneapolis, but they call themselves ICE.

You say they're ICE, but I don't see any way to tell the difference.

_DeadFred_ 1 day ago|||
Illegal immigration enforcement/code is civil, not criminal. If it was criminal, enforcement would require giving suspected offenders actual Article III judge hearings pre-every deporations, not use immigration court, etc. You know, rights. If you lot want to change it to criminal, go for it. But don't lie.

People lose their shit when the Constitution is violated. When civil norms are violated in evil ways. When people following the legal process with pending applications before the Government get punished/unfair enforcement against them because grannies in the government system are easier targets than tracking down actual MS-13 gang members. When law enforcement hides their identity and act like a secret police force ABOVE civilian oversite (again against the Supreme Court saying civilians have a right to monitor police actions and against American norms of... not having secret police).

throwfaraway135 1 day ago||
My argument is not about the legality, but selectivity of the outrage. Somehow if it's politically beneficial there are a ton of people outraged, and in other times like the pedophile scandal of the century, with a lot of powerful people in it, no one seams to really care.
_DeadFred_ 1 day ago|||
Funny because the first line of your point is "The last time I looked illegal immigration is still illegal." so specifically about the legality, and I explained what you said is not true, and that if it was these people would have legal protections that match what the Constitution requires and the public would be way less upset.

It sounds like you don't really care about the law, or people that want the constitution enforced, you care about the politics and if it the Constitution is politically inconvenient. Following the Constitution is ALWAYS the politically correct choice in the USA. Choosing the law over 'civil immigration enforcement' used as a loophole to bypass the law/Constitution is always the correct choice.

mothballed 1 day ago|||
You don't get MS-13 in the kind of operations that the populace have been protesting. If people are showing up with whistles and megaphones you have lost the element of surprise by such a long-shot what you are basically are getting are people who have to be there to wait for their kids to get back from school, or are sticking around because they need to go to their regular doctor appointment.

If they were getting gang members the protests would be useless because tactically they would be in and out every time before anyone could protest their operations.

throwfaraway135 1 day ago||
Look, this is tangential, for what is worth I don't agree with a lot of what ICE is doing.

My argument is that if you have two injustices A and B with severity of lets say 50/100 and 90/100. And injustice A is being globally protested, but injustice B is ignored, then your fight is not for justice, then you are being used as a political tool.

mothballed 1 day ago||
Or you are seizing your moment to temporarily ally with your enemies on a 50/100 topic when the 90/100 topic doesn't have the moment you need. I generally despise the politics of most people protesting DHS/ICE but I find them to be useful idiots on this particular topic so I'm happy to form a tenuous agreement with them.
motbus3 1 day ago||
Auschwiiiiitz

Sorry I sneezed

drivingmenuts 2 days ago|
They’re going from Brownshirt to Gestap to Stasi overnight.