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Posted by gnabgib 2 days ago

BMW's Newest "Innovation" Is a Logo-Shaped Middle Finger to Right to Repair(www.ifixit.com)
159 points | 77 commentspage 2
ktm5j 1 day ago|
Looks like Adafruit took down the page about 3D printing a working driver bit. Wonder who made that happen :/
torginus 1 day ago||
I think this is misunderstood - everybody points out that how evil BMW is for trying to be proprietary, then immediately points out any Chinese factory can produce a compatible tool for pennies - which one is it?

I think this is a pretty good mechanical design in general because:

- large contact surface (like hex or torx)

- no chance of slide-out (like flathead) or torque-out (like Philips)

- you can use a different size screw bit than the screw, and it wont slide around, or destroy your nut like torx does with hex

MisterTea 1 day ago||
> which one is it?

Which what? I honestly don't understand what the comparison is or what is misunderstood as there is nothing to misunderstand - it's a proprietary screw designed to defeat self/unlicensed repair - FULL STOP. Fuck the technical merit. And the point of mentioning that Chinese factories can produce cheap knock-offs is to demonstrate how absurd of a anti-consumer measure this is.

RankingMember 1 day ago|||
> everybody points out that how evil BMW is for trying to be proprietary, then immediately points out any Chinese factory can produce a compatible tool for pennies - which one is it?

Just because there's a workaround for an unnecessary annoying thing doesn't mean the thing ceases to be unnecessary and annoying.

torginus 1 day ago||
An I am pointing out the design has merit from a purely mechanical perspective, and is a very poor method for actually preventing third party repair.

BMW has done some despicable things as pointed out by a recent article, like welding in a pyrotechnic fuse that would kill the battery when the car detected a fault, and which could only be replaced by cutting the factory sealed battery case open, or installing 'theft protection' measurers, which could brick ECUs if an unlicensed repair shop would attempt repairs on the car (which have been known to trigger even when the dealership attempted to fix the issue using official tools)

MisterTea 1 day ago||
> An I am pointing out the design has merit from a purely mechanical perspective, and is a very poor method for actually preventing third party repair.

It sounds like you are defending both the design and the decision with nothing said about it being a poor method.

63stack 1 day ago|||
The article says it cannot withstand the torque of torx or hex.

Torx and hex already solve the slide out problem.

Which part of this makes you think "Hmmm yes this is great design"? What would bad design look like to you?

Saris 1 day ago||
It seems to me it would be terrible mechanically because the driver has 2 very weak little lobes sticking out.
Tylast 21 hours ago||
Seems to be in line with BMW's enshitification moves they've made regarding Home Assistant. I actually have an X5 that was affected by this & it will be the last BMW I ever own.

https://alerts.home-assistant.io/alerts/bmw_connected_drive/

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/1n8tidg/bmw_...

ginko 1 day ago||
Wouldn't circumventing trademark lockouts like this be fair use under "Sega v. Accolade"[1]?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade

metalman 12 hours ago||
I have heard about these screws, but it isn't a reach to hand make a bit that would turn these all day, that said, I am done with screens and capacitive switches in cars and will be doing retro mods to a few nice clasics for my own use, one that only beeps when you push the giant button just for that.
fainpul 1 day ago||
You will be able to buy a "BMW screwdriver" from China in a couple of weeks. This prevents nothing, it's just annoying and goes to show that BMW is run by dickheads (in case you didn't know yet).

Apple's "pentalobe" screws tell you the same about that company.

aristofun 21 hours ago||
Who cares about bmw except gangsters and narcissistic psychopaths these days anyway?

The quicker they bury themselves the better for everyone, more market space will remain for good car manufacturers

notglossy 1 day ago||
This patent came from the design department. Some dude looked at the logo and said, “Huh, we could make a screw from this.” The legal team then took it and made a design patent.

If you guys want, I can message him and ask about the grand conspiracy behind it but you might be disappointed.

Gud 1 day ago||
I rent cars 300 days a year, for work. Generally I don’t have high expectations.

Right now I’m driving a BMW IX2 and it’s the stupidest fucking car I ever drove.

I had booked a Polestar 2, which Hertz unfortunately didn’t have available. Great car, that one.

jamwil 1 day ago|
Now I’m curious, are there any manufacturers still making repairable cars?
amelius 1 day ago|
Chinese brands, maybe?
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