Posted by saubeidl 2 days ago
Those of us who remember history will continue to fight, and our numbers aren't small. Maybe one day we can begin to repair the enormous national and global damage that has occurred.
https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/how-and-why/how/deport...
> As with most of the Nazis’ murderous actions, the deportation of German Jews was improvised and haphazard . The increased numbers of Jews arriving in the ghettos of eastern Europe led to severe overcrowding, unsustainable food shortages and poor sanitation. This, in combination with the slow progress in the German invasion of the Soviet Union, convinced the Nazis that a ‘solution’ to the ‘Jewish problem’ needed to be organised sooner than had been originally envisaged.
By the way most countries require an apostilled FBI background check, recent copy of birth certificate w/ updated apostille, apostilled other documents, etc for a resident visa and they all have to be done within 90 days of your visa . So by the time the government is dysfunctional you'll only be able to flee to places without functional immigration control like Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, central Africa, etc as there will simply be no way to get the needed documents.
Oh and as a side note, having fought, and later leaving a civil war. Most likely you will get out if you have enough intelligence or money to navigate the border but you'll be robbed of everything you have on the way out unless you're just incredibly lucky.
A civil war you can flee once the shooting starts. (Probably. Maybe not if you are male and of military age. And the region you're in may close the border for whatever reason.)
A coup is perhaps more likely to close the border, or at least to close it to "people like you" (if the side that doesn't like your kind is in charge). For that, I'd keep a close eye on this election, and up until the new Congress takes office, and maybe just after that. But if anything is going to happen, it will probably be before the new Congress is seated, because it's harder to create a veil of plausible grounds after that.
Enjoy some wild speculation, if that's your jam:
My bet is that DJT will kick off from a stroke in the next 2 years, the GOP will get beat, and things will "go back to normal". But the Dems will elect some jerk like Newsome and not do the important work of imposing consequences, so this fascist power will return after two presidential terms of delicious brunch (which will fail to make progress on the environment, mass incarceration, immigration, student loan debt, housing, the economy, or anything, really).
AI and small drones will be -even- better at that point, along with an ever tighter network of flock cameras.
The propaganda will be even more solid and the aging/retired gen-xers whose grand kids won't talk to them will largely be interacting with AI-based pals who are making the same kind of pronouncements that Nome and Vance are currently making but in the voice of their first girlfriend from 1987.
Personally, I'd rather see some very extreme change now instead of fighting that fight in 15 years (or, rather, supporting the 30 year olds fighting, because I will be pretty old then).
It's not a very realistic picture of the future though; it could be the case that all this comes to a head soon. It could be the case that soon folks have some real come-to-jeebus moment about Epstein-types and capitalism (hey, it's not Capitalism, it's just croney internationalist capitalism that is the problem bro, we can just implement this anarcho-Reaganist platform, these aren't limitations on capitalists, just "normal Christian Democrat" reforms).
It might be the case that the real limits of 3-5K soldiers operating against an armed and organized city of 100k midwesterners makes it obvious what the outcomes will be if they don't stop pushing their hands.
For instance, when they start busting, say, signal chat groups of suburban soccer moms that have taken up sniping tires and cutting the power to facilities, folks might no longer have the stomach for the kinds of applications of power necessary to prevent the actions of "the people" who have their hands on all the little levers.
It could be the case that the global ecosystem really is as bad as it appears and giant storms break all the just-in-time delivery systems in the so-called advanced but fault-intolerant countries about the same time Ebola Plus (tm) hits, and we all go back to living in the beautiful caves in the pinion forests of my back yard (that's my preferred outcome even though it'll probably kill me).
Hell monkeys could fly out of my butt (that would probably kill me too, but I die in most scenarios I can imagine).
To answer your question, all things equal if you're gonna flee, flee. I'm not, but that's because I don't think there is anywhere to go.
Then what happens after they’re locked in there? Are they processed one by one? Do the math. Even with absurdly optimistic assumptions of one hour per person, eight hours a day, every single day. You’re still talking about more than a year to get through 75,000 people. And that assumes perfect efficiency, no delays, no shortages, no illness.
While all that’s happening, people will get sick, injured, desperate. People will die. And after someone is “processed,” where do they go? Immediately put on a plane and sent back to their home country? Is that realistically happening at scale?
This setup isn’t about processing people. It’s about warehousing them. And when large numbers of people are caged indefinitely under those conditions, deaths get written off as “suicides.”
Personally I have no issue with calling them concentration camps but it does feel there needs to be a word to distinguish them from the camps of the Holocaust.
There have been other words like this. For instance "negro" just means black but if you say it everyone assumes you are referring to slaves or slave-like individuals or referring to a black person as inferior.
It’s darkly funny, in a way, to recall a racist trope that gets trotted out about immigration all the time: immigrants bring disease into the country. That in itself isn’t funny, obviously. The funny part is that it seems like we’re proving the opposite to be true under the Trump administration. As the measles outbreak in America continues to rage, immigration detention camps are starting to feel the effects.
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It’s also worth remembering that the spread of disease is a recurring feature in the concentration camp industry. Deaths from disease as well. And, unlike the trope mentioned above, these are infections immigrants are getting from America, not bringing to her soil.
Musk's Nazi salute was a sign of the times to come.
He thought he would get away with it, because they were also doing it - the difference is, they did it way over the horizon, out of sight, whereas he did it in his own backyard for all the world to see.
If you think random ICE karens's "statements" count, then I think you should have no problem accepting mine counts too. Let me declare kreetx is an illegal alien and a violent murderous pedophile. I hope you would not resist arrest. After all it has been declared so.
Under democrat Biden, DHS jailed and detained me for 24 hours all while stating I was "not under arrest" and no probable cause that I had committed any crime. After they had finished, they retroactively got a warrant, to cover their ass, writing what was essentially 100% fabricated, claiming a completely (non-existent) unnamed dog told a completely unnamed officer that told yet another officer that I had drugs (thus impossible to ever cross-examine it in court the origin of their claim).
EDIT: Your were lucky. Disappearance without judicative oversight is no outcome of regular law enforcement. Watch this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgNnbTrsgw
An anti-Bloomberg headline might run like this: Bloomberg wants detention centers for illegals to be without a roof. I.e, of course the deportation process continues, real estate is needed.
The protesters are not protesting, they are interfering with a police operation. They could protest at town square, etc.
In fact in many cases they are engaging in home invasions which are clear cut illegal unless the real not karen warrant is presented. In fact Minnesota is a castle doctrine state, meaning if cornered on your own property you can quite legally shoot the invader including killing them. It's not just theoretical, it has already happened in many states.
ICE has "proof" for an illegal, as otherwise they wouldn't know who they are capturing. If the alleged illegal has proof otherwise, they could produce that.
The "killings" were accidents, a woman attempted a police getaway (or a runover) and got shot while doing that. The other person had a gun while he was taken down. He was not using it and in fact the gun had been removed from him, then some gun went off after which the guy was shot dead. Neither of these events were pre-planned. My suggestion for protesters would be to not try to drive away form the cops, even less so to drive onto them, nor carry a gun to a protest, or if you do, don't enter any situation where you are to be detained.
Correct. They don't know. They are performing random home invasions and kidnappings without caring for who or what.
Just gate citizenship to the lilliest of whites and then put non-citizens in camps...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Classifications...
You need a plausible excuse for the camps after all, as I'm sure you're well aware.
Also, acquiring real estate for any org to for any activity is also normal. E.g a town government who buys a warehouse to house a temporary school or hospital.
Bloomberg is just trying to insinuate analogies here because their political party didn't win.
2. The current administration is doing so far more violently and confrontationally than is needed.
Both are true. I can be in favor of enforcement of immigration laws and still be opposed to the way the administration is doing it.
Here's a start: end immunity and masks for ICE. This will naturally improve things.
But that's not all. You can also naturalize people who are being productive citizens.