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Posted by cdrnsf 17 hours ago

Flock CEO calls Deflock a “terrorist organization” (2025) [video](www.youtube.com)
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unethical_ban 9 hours ago|
We're so busy thinking about if we can enable omnipresent AI surveillance, we didn't stop to think of we should.

We must, as a society, reject the full capability of technology to observe the public.

dandanua 15 hours ago||
I swear, every fascist has the same playbook. They use the same phrases, same accusations, same lies, sometimes even same wordings. It is like they have a single hive mind - for which everyone else is the enemy and is subject to destruction or enslaving.
direwolf20 8 hours ago||
The Epstein files are revealing a web of surprising connections. Epstein's network knew about 9/11 and made stock trades beforehand. He was personally involved in some UK corruption to lower taxes on bank executives.
Fnoord 8 hours ago||
Yup, the specific one in use here by Flock is accusation in a mirror.
einpoklum 12 hours ago||
I didn't even know about flock, and I still don't quite understand what it is, other than that they seem to want everyone being spied upon every second of their lives they're outside the hose, or something. For our protection / against crime / terrorism / pedophiles / communists / zombies or whatever. Usually it's governments and their law enforcement arms that push for that, but in the US private enterprise is king so I guess in this domain as well?

Anyway, assuming I've gotten the gist of it - I support De-flocking and de-surveillance'ing and will be happily to carry the label of an antifa terrorist all day long :-)

ece 11 hours ago||
Techno-fascist that leases cameras would like governments to pay him his cut of a "law and order" society. News at 11.
queenkjuul 7 hours ago||
If i were the kind of person to say "i told you so" (and i am), i would point out that people have been screaming since like 1994 that the term "terrorist" is a tool of the state to punish anyone they find inconvenient.

Unfortunately for me i was born in 1991 and so i wasn't actually screaming in 1994 or 1998 or 2001 or 2003 but god damnit EVERYONE just decided "ah, typical left wing cranks" and said fuck it, let's let the president do whatever he wants, it's fine?

Obama executed a US citizen without trial on allegations of terrorism. I was absolutely screaming then.

onetokeoverthe 14 hours ago||
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cm2012 15 hours ago||
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rimbo789 15 hours ago||
That figure is straight from Flok's own press release. There were deep deep methological flaws in the calculation of that figure.

https://archive.is/7iNyQ - this is an excellent piece breaking down the many many flaws in that figure and quotes the 2 academics involved who later said highlighted the issues.

->"“This 'study' rings a cacophony of alarm bells: the closer you look at it, the more it looks like a marketing scheme than data science,” Dave Maass, director of investigations at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told me. “Nobody should be repeating the claims until the data can be verified and the conclusions replicated by independent data scientists without a direct tie to the company that stands to benefit."

ribosometronome 15 hours ago|||
That's a claim Flock makes. They poison their own well a bit when they then also claim that Deflock are terrorists. One might point out that one claim was made off the cuff while the other is has a white paper detailing why they're making this claim but said white paper has a number of it's own issues. See, unless perhaps you think they're a terrorist news organization: https://www.404media.co/researcher-who-oversaw-flock-surveil... which quotes one of the consulting academic researchers as saying:

>The researcher, Johnny Nhan of Texas Christian University, said that he has pivoted future research on Flock because he found “the information that is collected by the police departments are too varied and incomplete for us to do any type of meaningful statistical analysis on them.”

tclancy 15 hours ago|||
>helping police solve 700k real crimes per year.

Have to ask for a citation there. Also, what are "real crimes"? Also, aren't these cameras? How are they tackling these 700k suspects?

sbuttgereit 15 hours ago|||
Well then... let's eliminate any due process and fourth amendment protections, maybe requiring something sensible like "officer suspicion", or maybe just a program of "random" searches.. you know keep everybody on their toes. I also bet that real crimes (whatever that means) goes down...

Just because something works doesn't make it right. Personally, giving up what the law is suppose to protect (individual rights) in the name of the law is something I can only see as a fool's bargain.

direwolf20 8 hours ago||
Those are legal now. A Kavanaugh stop allows an officer to stop and search a person based on their ethnicity or spoken language.
bigbinary 15 hours ago|||
Those are statistics given by Flock themselves and are manipulated
hsbauauvhabzb 15 hours ago|||
That’s a lot of speeding tickets and jwalking, well done flock!
rconti 15 hours ago|||
So crime is down?
cm2012 15 hours ago||
It actually is hugely down nationwide, but flock probably had nothing to do with that or very little
jamiek88 15 hours ago||
Says who? Flock?
hareykrishna 15 hours ago|
has anything ever good come out of silicon valley or the wall street? one greedy capitalist after another and you wonder why the world has turn to a shithole! the inequality between the rich and the poor is reaching the level of ambani vs. mumbai slums.