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Posted by thisislife2 1 day ago

India's female workers watching hours of abusive content to train AI(www.theguardian.com)
101 points | 169 commentspage 2
paulkon 1 day ago|
How do humans with very little exposure to grotesque violence or extreme content universally label such content so well? This is not graduate level data that needs labeling.

What is missing in an AI model for it to intuitively understand what content is extreme from very few labeled sample in training?

hexaga 23 hours ago|
A finely tuned set of heuristic triggers for fear, horror, disgust, etc. You might as well ask why pain is so painful.
alephnerd 1 day ago||
> Murmu, 26, is a content moderator for a global technology company, logging on from her village in India’s Jharkhand state

> With just four months left on her contract, which pays about £260 a month

Earning US$350/mo working remotely in a village in one of the poorest states in India is an extremely competitive given that the alternative would be spending 12 hours sewing fast fashion for Zara earning US$130-150/mo [0], doing bit piece ag labor for around US$100/mo and participating in MGNREGA for US$50/mo, become a housewife, or become a Naxalite/Maoist insurgent to earn a couple thousand dollars when surrendering [1].

Content moderation means interacting with extremely depressing and horrid content, but someone needs to do it, and once models get good enough we would start seeing articles about how "all the good 100% remote first jobs with no barrier to entry" are being automated to oblivion.

Yes it sucks, but the alternative is becoming a migrant worker or working in light manufacturing where QoL is worse. Heck, we used to see similar articles about Chinese workers for Apple barely 14 years ago in then equally poor Sichuan [2], but you don't see those kinds of articles anymore.

Development takes time and the fact that US$350/mo remote data annotation and content moderation jobs are now penetrating into villages in what used to be the Naxalite/Maoist/Red Corridor where bombings and gun battles were a part of normal life just 10 years ago [3] is a massive step up developmentally - it means that there is robust enough internet, literacy, banking, and public services penetration for the seeds for a services economy to form.

Edit: Thanks for the downvotes westerners - my family is from these kinds of villages in India and Vietnam. The alternatives are extremely bleak - especially for a tribal woman like Ms Murmu at the bottom of the social and patriarchal hierarchy.

[0] - https://theprint.in/ground-reports/industries-finally-return...

[1] - https://www.thehansindia.com/news/national/18-yr-old-maoist-...

[2] - https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/business/ieconomy-apples-...

[3] - https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2016/Nov/23/six-maoi...

kamaal 23 hours ago||
>>given that the alternative would be spending 12 hours sewing fast ...

That is the best case scenario. Mostly women roll beedis(a kind of needle sized cigar) on which you get like 1 paise per 10 rolls or something like that. Or worse do assorted labor chores which can really sap one's soul real fast.

Even with all that women actually have it a lot better than men. Men literally die and are reborn every day in most parts of India.

Just drive 30 kms North of Bangalore, and you will see abject poverty scenes. People scavenging bovine dung for fuel, children with flies, no clothing. The ever present scene is always that of an elderly person with pencil thin legs wearing shorts he likely is wearing since a decade with nothing but boiled rice and salt water+turmeric to eat daily. 8 - 10 hr power cuts are the norm, that is if you can afford electricity at all. Most health care is either entirely absent, or you have to travel to the nearest metro and hope you don't die out of hunger getting treatment there. I could go on but that is life here.

£260 a month is actually great for some place like this.

kbelder 7 hours ago||
I agree with you completely, but I'm confused by this phrase?

>Men literally die and are reborn every day in most parts of India.

leosanchez 1 day ago|||
I see few people coming from Jharkhand and working as waitresses in my state.

Also, your first link mentions Bihar not Jharkhand.

alephnerd 1 day ago|||
> I see few people coming from Jharkhand and working as waitresses in my state

Ststistically, a young Santali woman from rural Jharkhand would most likely end up working in West Bengal, Maharashtra, or Karnataka [0] according to Jharkhand's Migration Survey.

> Also, your first link mentions Bihar not Jharkhand

Because HDI and developmental indicators remain roughly comparable in both states. Salaries in Bihar are comparable to salaries for similar roles in Jharkhand, Eastern UP, or Northern portions of West Bengal.

[0] - https://iimad.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/salx20170525s-i...

selimthegrim 8 hours ago|||
Jharkhand was formerly part of Bihar >25 years ago, and they were administered jointly with Orissa before independence. Then, my family worked in the police service and were transferred between Patna and Hazaribagh without any problem.
paulddraper 1 day ago|||
Yeah what’s the alternative to moderation…no moderation?
throwaway290 1 day ago||
There is an argument.

but maybe you have an idea of how manual labor feels (people always do some of it) but no idea how this type of horror feels and what it does.

alephnerd 1 day ago||
The alternatives in these kinds of villages in rural Jharkhand's tribal and red corridor are literally

1.) bit-piece agriculture work for the local landlord who will never pay salaries on time because he has the power

2.) migrate to the nearest big city (in this case Ranchi, Dhanbad, or Patna) and work at a factory for 12 hours a week with the exact same risks

3.) get married off

4.) join a Maoist outfit in order to surrender and get government rehabilitation benefits.

And all of this is assuming the men (and it's always men) who they are reporting to are not lecherous abusers which is a very real risk in these kinds of jobs for women in Ms Murmu's status.

Like out of all the bad options, this is the least bad one - especially in an area that was a warzone barely a decade ago.

bdangubic 1 day ago||
> this is the least bad one

not that I wish this on anyone but you would change your mind very quickly if you had to do this job for just one hour. it can fuck you up for life

golem14 1 day ago|||
I don't think anyone is disputing that this job is terrible, it clearly is. The counter argument is that many other jobs are also terrible, and it's not clear whether you can really stack rank them and this one is at the bottom of the pole.
throwaway290 23 hours ago||
The counter counter argument is that we all talking here know what manual job or not getting paid feels like. But we don't know what it does to you if you have a job where you must watch humans hurt/torture/rape other humans day in day out.

we know what work feels like. Maybe it's better maybe it's worse. But we don't know personally and have no intuition about THIS kind of stuff.

greygoo222 22 hours ago||
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. Am I just too old? What do you mean, people on this forum have no intuition about what watching gore videos online is like? About watching hours of ordinary porn (as the article also mentioned)?

That's more likely to be within the experience of a HackerNews user than serious manual labor.

throwaway290 21 hours ago||
I mean literally what I wrote.

> people on this forum have no intuition about what watching gore videos online is like

as a job day in day out no they don't

(also abuse is not gore which can be consensual)

(also HN is mostly men aka people who statistically are performers of abuse not receivers of abuse so adjust accordingly)

alephnerd 1 day ago||||
So can working in the unorganized sector in the heart of the Red Corridor. Like this is literally one of the least developed parts of one of the least developed states in India.

A tribal woman like Murmu who is clearly living in the Red Corridor districts (based on surname and geographic location) doesn't have any better choice.

Yes content moderation introduces you to horrid content, but the alternatives give the very real risk of physical and sexual violence.

greygoo222 23 hours ago|||
This is utterly ridiculous. The majority of teens I knew watched a few hours of LiveLeak at some point and turned out fine.
fragmede 15 hours ago|||
a few hours! Watching it for 40+ hours a week for months on end is going to fuck you up more than a casual perusal of a shock website.
throwaway290 19 hours ago|||
Yeah and you for sure know what went through all of their heads.

If a kid enjoys it it's a very big red flag. If a kid is horrified by it (as I was) even if pretending to be cool in front of peers, then there you have your answer as to what it must feel to do it every day 9 to 7.

burnt-resistor 1 day ago||
Eww. Like 19th c. children in dangerous factories, abusing poor people's mental health sifting through the Global North's cavalcade of depravity. There must exist more productive and honest uses of people's time, and some jobs shouldn't be done for any amount of money. Some jobs done risky ways shouldn't be done by human beings at all in dangerous manners (coal mining without safety equipment, loom maintenance while running, carrying sulfur chunks out of active volcanoes) because they lower us all. "But they're making money" is not a good enough excuse because that's a false choice as there infinitely other activities, and any number of safer activities or similar tasks done with meaningful precautions are needed, desirable, and could be done instead.
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rvz 1 day ago|
When VCs and investors keep saying 'There will be new jobs', they never tell you exactly what they are - on purpose.

Now we know that it is actually being a data labeller, AI tutor and content moderator, but in very low wage countries such as in India.

This is the post-AGI reality. 'Abundance', but not for you.

alephnerd 1 day ago|
That's false. We expect that jobs are growing at both ends of the income distribution with AI [0][1] - yes there are a ton of data annotators and content moderators now, but literally the overwhelming majority of us also expect to see an expansion in standard SWE and SWE adjacent roles with AI/ML vibe coding becoming the norm.

The reason you are facing job losses right now is because Joe in Cary who learnt to code at a bootcamp can't justify being paid $180k a year when I can hire Jan for $90k in Karlin [2] or Jamila for $60k in Koramangla [3] while maintaining equivalent performance and output. Having a president pass an executive order to distract from the Gold Card announcement [4] also played a role [5] just like we warned would happen.

[0] - https://www.ft.com/content/267037e8-a71f-4025-acca-f441fe712...

[1] - https://www.ft.com/content/d6fdc04f-85cf-4358-a686-298c3de0e...

[2] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/prague-...

[3] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/greater...

[4] - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-signs-proclamati...

[5] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-03/alphabet-...