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Posted by giuliomagnifico 17 hours ago

A new bill in New York would require disclaimers on AI-generated news content(www.niemanlab.org)
507 points | 213 commentspage 4
kgwxd 13 hours ago|
AI Generated or News? You can't have both.
seydor 14 hours ago||
That's the equivalent of having a disclaimer "This article was written using MS Word". Utterly useless in this day and age
PlatoIsADisease 16 hours ago||
In 10-20 years all this AI disclaimer stuff is going to be like 'don't use wikipedia, it could lie!'

Status Quo Bias is a real thing, and we are seeing those people in meltdown with the world changing around them. They think avoiding AI, putting disclaimers on it, etc... will matter. But they aren't being rational, they are being emotional.

The economic value is too high to stop and the cat is out of the bag with 400B models on local computers.

jacquesm 16 hours ago||
I don't think that's true. The 'this battle is already over' attitude is the most defeatist strategy possible. It's effectively complying in advance, rolling over before you've attempted to create the best possible outcome.

With that attitude we would not have voting, human rights (for what they're worth these days), unions, a prohibition on slavery and tons of other things we take for granted every day.

I'm sure AI has its place but to see it assume the guise of human output without any kind of differentiating factor has so many downsides that it is worth trying to curb the excesses. And news articles in particular should be free from hallucinations because they in turn will cause others to pass those on. Obviously with the quality of some publications you could argue that that is an improvement but it wasn't always so and a free and capable press is a precious thing.

mikkupikku 12 hours ago|||
> With that attitude we would not have voting, human rights (for what they're worth these days), unions, a prohibition on slavery and tons of other things we take for granted every day.

None of these things were rolling back a technology. History shows that technology is a ratchet, the only way to get rid of a technology is social collapse or surplanting the technology with something even more useful or at the very least approximately as useful but safer.

Once a technology has proliferated, it's a fiat accompli. You can regulate the technology but turning the clock back isn't going to happen.

jacquesm 11 hours ago||
We have plenty of examples of regulated technology.

And usually the general public does not have a direct stake in the outcome (ok, maybe broadcast spectrum regulation should be mentioned there), but this time they do and given what's at stake it may well be worth trying to define what a good set of possible outcomes would be and how to get there.

As I mentioned above and which TFA is all about, the press for instance could be held to a standard that they have shown they can easily meet in the past.

mikkupikku 8 hours ago||
As I said, technology can be regulated. And this technology will be regulated.

However the technology is nonetheless here to stay, until it's replaced with something better.

terminalshort 10 hours ago|||
Well they aren't free from hallucinations with human authors. Not to long ago there was an outbreak of articles in the "reputable" mainstream press claiming that there was a foiled terrorist plot against the UN which was actually (and obviously) a garden variety SMS fraud operation. Why should I care if it's AI lying to me next time rather than the constant deluge of humans lying to me?
Llamamoe 16 hours ago|||
AI-written articles tend to be far more regurgitative, lower in value, and easier to ghostwrite with intent to manipulate the narrative.

Economic value or not, AI-generated content should be labeled, and trying to pass it as human-written should be illegal, regardless of how used to AI content people do or don't become.

RobotToaster 16 hours ago|||
My theory is that AI writes the way it does because it was trained on a lot of modern (organic) journalism.

So many words to say so little, just so they can put ads between every paragraph.

charcircuit 16 hours ago|||
That is low quality articles in general. Have you never seen how hundreds of news sites will regurgitate the same story of another. This was happening long before AI. High quality AI written articles will still be high value.
orwin 15 hours ago||
Did you go on grokipedia at release? I still sometimes loose myself reading stuff on Wikipedia, I guarantee you that this can't happen on grok, so much noise between facts it's hard to enjoy.
charcircuit 15 hours ago||
Yes I did go immediately on release. I was finally able to correct articles that have been inaccurate on Wikipedia for years.
orwin 10 hours ago||
So you noticed how poor the prose was? Really unbearable to read.
charcircuit 9 hours ago||
I found it fine to read and it handled controversial subjects much better than Wikipedia.
orwin 4 hours ago||
I don't care about that, that wasn't the point, no one truly care about that. I wanted to know if the feeling of reading meandering writing that can't go to the point when reading AI-generated content was only mine, or if other people who "wiki walk" a lot did the same on Grokipedia (basically spend hours clicking on links and reading random pages). I didn't manage to do it because the writing was too "bad" for me (and i was taken by wiki walk on wookiepedia once, so my tolerance is high). I just wanted to know if it was shared. Did you wiki walk on grokipedia, or do you just use it for "controversial subjects"?
charcircuit 1 hour ago||
I don't know what wiki walk is. I don't often use grokipedia since I can just prompt an LLM directly, which may in turn extract information from grokipedia.
duskdozer 15 hours ago|||
Current AI use is heavily subsidized; we will see how much value there actually is when it comes time to monetize.
simion314 16 hours ago|||
Emotional my ass, just have websites and social media give me a filter to hide AI stuff , I can't enjoy a video , post or story anymore since I always doubt it is real, if I am part of a minority this filter should not hit the budget of companies and would encourage real people generated content if we are larger then a dozen people.
wiseowise 16 hours ago||
> But they aren't being rational, they are being emotional.

When your mind is so fried on slop that you start to write like one.

> The economic value is too high to stop and the cat is out of the bag with 400B models on local computers.

Look at all this value created like *checks notes* scam ads, apps that undress women and teenage girls, tech bros jerking each other off on twitter, flooding open source with tsunami of low quality slop, inflating chip prices, thousands are cut off in cost savings and dozens more.

Cat is out of the bag for sure.

mikkupikku 15 hours ago||
You may not like it, but this is what peak economic performance looks like.
blibble 12 hours ago||
no, this is what massive subsidy looks like
bill_joy_fanboy 15 hours ago||
LOL! As if human-generated news content is any more honest or accurate...
charcircuit 16 hours ago|
So literally every article will be labeled as AI assisted and it will be meaningless.

>The use of generative artificial intelligence systems shall not result in: (i) discharge, displacement or loss of position

Being able to fire employees is a great use of AI and should not be restricted.

> or (ii) transfer of existing duties and functions previously performed by employees or worker

Is this saying you can't replace an employee's responsibilities with AI? No wonder the article says it is getting union support.

nosianu 15 hours ago||
> So literally every article will be labeled as AI assisted and it will be meaningless.

The web novel website RoyalRoad has two different tags that stories can/should add: AI-Assisted and AI-Generated.

Their policy: https://www.royalroad.com/blog/57/royal-road-ai-text-policy

> In this policy, we are going to separate the use of AI for text, into 3 categories: General Assistive Technologies, AI-Assisted, AI-Generated

The first category does not require tagging the story, only the other two do.

> The new tags are as such:

> AI-Assisted: The author has used an AI tool for editing or proofreading. The story thus reflects the author’s creativity and structure, but it may use the AI’s voice and tone. There may be some negligible amount of snippets generated by AI.

> AI-Generated: The story was generated using an AI tool; the author prompted and directed the process, and edited the result.

nicoburns 15 hours ago|||
> So literally every article will be labeled as AI assisted and it will be meaningless.

That at might at least offer an opportunity for a news source to compete on not being AI-generated. I would personally be willing to pay for information sources that exclude AI-generated content.

westmeal 15 hours ago|||
How would you feel if an AI hallucinated and fired you from your job?
charcircuit 15 hours ago||
I would feel that I must not have been documenting my value as good as I could have been and would try and do so better at my next job.
westmeal 11 hours ago||
That's genuinely insane but you're entitled to your opinion.
mcpar-land 11 hours ago|||
> Being able to fire employees is a great use of AI and should not be restricted.

Can you elaborate on this?

charcircuit 9 hours ago||
There is less bias being able to have an AI measure who is being productive and who isn't. Getting signal from AI when measuring performance to know when to fire people will be a valuable signal.
mcpar-land 7 hours ago||
Do you think that LLMs are not biased / less biased than humans?
charcircuit 1 hour ago||
They have their own biases, but it's consistent.
vincnetas 16 hours ago||
objects in the mirror are closer than they appear.