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Posted by cdrnsf 1 day ago

I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams(kirkville.com)
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kirkmc 1 day ago|
Hi, I'm the person who wrote this article, and I thank whoever posted it here. One comment I'm seeing below is: all ads are scams.

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Ads are capitalist tools to get you to buy things, but in most cases, you get the thing you buy. I'm into photography, books, and music, for example, and the ads I see for cameras aren't scams, nor are ads for books or records. Some of them may attempt to to manipulate you to part with your money, but this sort of scam is different.

One problem with Apple News on the iPad or Mac is the size of the ads. Yes, I notice them and generally scroll past them, but they are huge and obtrusive. I've been noticing these obvious AI ads for a couple of months; especially the one with the mug or the totebags. But they have become endemic recently.

Someone I know said that he assumes all ads on Instagram are scams. I don't use IG, but I do use Facebook to keep up with local groups. There was a period where there were tons of those "going out of business ads," and I reported many of them. But I'd say about half the ads I see now are brands I know. Presumably, since IG uses the same algorithm and personal data, my experience there would be the same.

I think the problem with Apple News is that it's not widely used, and advertisers don't see it as a good place to spend their money. Since Apple started using Taboola, it's pure enshittification.

It's worth noting that in Apple's earnings call last year, they said that their profit margin on services was 78%. While Apple News probably doesn't account for much in that number, it seems like much of the company, as far as services are concerned, is aiming for cash over quality.

PaulHoule 23 hours ago|
I'd agree that ads can be useful for some things. However many major online platforms are flooded with scams to the extent that ads for anything that aren't obvious scams are suspect.

Also there is the converse proposition that: "all clicks are click fraud", that is, many web sites try to trick you into clicking on ads by making pop-ups that are hard to close, by making the layout shift so you click on an ad when you were trying to click a link, etc.

QuartzHarbor47 14 hours ago||
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Swoerd 21 hours ago||
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zvqcMMV6Zcr 1 day ago||
This is a bit silly. Are there any ads that people do trust?
matsemann 1 day ago||
While I understand the sentiment, most ads for a long time were fairly reputable? Like in the news papers, most ads were to make you aware of a brand (next car I buy I'll feel safe buying X because I've seen it in the papers), or to notify you about a local store having a sale etc. And disabling my ad blocker and going to a page I see ads for house listings nearby, offers to buy sports gear in a store in my city, and ads for a well known telecom company. All things I would trust.

What I don't understand is why high-value brands sell their screen estate to straight up scams or low quality ads.

radpanda 1 day ago||
I dunno, I’ve been doing some genealogy research and looking at a lot of newspapers from the 1800’s. It’s striking to me how much they are essentially Facebook. Sure, on the front page there’s the news of the day, but on the inside are jokes, riddles, local notes on who visited who and where. And the ads. Literal snake oil! As well as all sorts of other sketchy tonics for curing any sort of “ill constitution”.

I think those of us on this forum likely grew up in a golden age of ads being relatively harmless, but I’m not sure that’s the normal state.

pjc50 1 day ago||
It's not the "state of nature", but there's obviously been a lot of litigation and regulation in the meantime. Look up the charmingly named Carbolic Smoke Ball case, for example.
efreak 19 hours ago|||
Ads for products I already use. Probably 90% of the stuff in your house has been advertised somewhere. A good number of the books on my shelves advertise other books by the same author in the back (some of these are order forms, many are not), and I certainly do use them to see what's the next book in a series of what reviewers have had to say about other books by the author. Heck, some of the objects I own and use daily (hopefully lower than average) is itself advertising, such as the branded Crayola desk lamp I'm using.
latexr 1 day ago|||
Yes, of course. These exist because they work. If no one fell for these scams, they wouldn’t continue to exist.
Yossarrian22 1 day ago|||
I see an ad for a product I bought and it makes me worried I got scammed. The usual offender is Peak Design.
nottorp 1 day ago|||
Exactly. Why did the article author think ads weren't scams before they were "AI" generated?
wobfan 1 day ago||
Where does the author claim or even remotely suggest that?
nottorp 1 day ago|||
They only NOW assume all ads are scams. Suggests they didn't make that assumption before, doesn't it?
wobfan 1 day ago||
And in your mind NOW always means "since GenAI is a thing"?

Most of the time, when people realize something, it happens NOW. Also, AI isn't even mentioned in the headline at all, and not even in the first part of the article. It's just used as one hint that it might be scam, then followed up with further evidence.

iso1631 1 day ago|||
In the headline - the word Now implies "Ads before weren't scams but they are now"
wobfan 1 day ago||
And where in the headline is "AI"?
iso1631 1 day ago||
"Here are three ads that are scammy; the first two were clearly generated by AI, and the third may have been created by AI."
nottorp 1 day ago||
The "AI" evangelists are trying to explain to us that all ads are to be trusted because they're "AI" generated now...
Tyr42 1 day ago|||
I mean I remember when Penny Arcade Ram ads for games and such and they only ran the ads if the approved of the game. The ads were worth clicking into. They sold a real product for a cost approximating its value.

Now ads are just scams

mcphage 1 day ago|||
> Are there any ads that people do trust?

What? Yes, of course. Are you so terminally online that you assume all advertising is the fake AI chum that we see on the web?

lrem 1 day ago||
Even online I get a lot of ads for goods/services I do use, or could see myself using.
bilsbie 1 day ago||
HN users are mostly 1980s levels of institutional and media trust. Not sure why.
nikanj 23 hours ago||
Just assume all ads everywhere are scams, it’s an accurate enough heuristic
deviation 1 day ago|
Nice - Another post shaming Apple for a problem which the entire internet faces.

I'll load up Facebook right now and get the same things. Google? The same.

And to no surprise, ads like these break Apple's ad content guidelines[1].

OP should figuratively put down the video camera and go perform CPR. Report the Ad. Make the internet a better place.

[1]: https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/adguide/apd527d891a8/1...

wtetzner 1 day ago||
Apple News is a paid subscription. Facebook and Google are not. Apple is supposedly the premium brand that provides a curated experience (isn't that their reasoning behind the closed nature of the App Store?).
7952 1 day ago|||
That could make sense as a criticism if Apple were some tiny struggling company. But they have the resources to do better. And a brand identity that definitely sets it apart from the rest of the internet.
FabHK 1 day ago|||
Still a bit of a bummer that with Apple, you pay a premium to escape the ad-based ecosystem^W cesspool, both for the hardware and then here for Apple News itself, and then still not only get served ads, but tasteless scam ads.
marxisttemp 1 day ago|||
I’m an Apple cultist but it is somewhat comical that Apple has their own content blocking format built into their own browser but somehow thinks I’d ever want to pay for a subscription to read ad-encumbered news in a separate webview app
kirkmc 1 day ago||
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