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Posted by alainrk 11 hours ago

Coding agents have replaced every framework I used(blog.alaindichiappari.dev)
266 points | 442 commentspage 6
LordHumungous 5 hours ago|
LLMs finally deliver on the crochety front end dev's dream of writing everything in vanilla JS. Hallelujah.
azibi 7 hours ago||
I see Libraries and frameworks as a way to capture knowledge and best practices so it can be shared with other people. So looking wat a LLM/AI does, it looks to me that this would be a perfect fit. Without the dependeny hell, unresolved github issues, need to fork and leaving maintainers. It could be opensource on steroïdes, with far shorter feedbackloops (just working in your IDE).

The main burden I see is validation of the output and getting reproducable results. As with many AI solutions.

nuancebydefault 7 hours ago||
What they are basically saying : a framework built up from bash-or-makefile-ground by an LLM, is better than any existing framework. I don't agree. When I use LLMs to generate scripts for me, I often have to adapt them to fit in the bigger picture. The more scripts I have, the more blurred becomes what that framework as a whole stands for. Then to become a usable framework, refactoring is needed, which means the calls to those scripts need rewriting and retesting as well.
nickstaggs 7 hours ago||
I think if anything frameworks will become more important. They are already built into the training data of these models and they provide guardrails like protection against xss and sql injection. They are an architectural decision like anything else but why reinvent the wheel even if its an LLM doing the work?
athrowaway3z 5 hours ago||
Yes, that was one of the first aha moments for me; put simply:

It's now cheaper to try diving into a system to change it, opposed to the 'safe' path to built on-top-off and adapt to it.

pech0rin 9 hours ago||
Strange how many people are comparing code to art. Software engineering has never been about the code written, it’s about solving problems with software. With AI we can solve more problems with software. I have been writing code for 25 years, I love using AI. It allows me to get to the point faster.

The author is right, eliminating all this framework cruft will be a boon for building great software. I was a skeptic but it seems obvious now its largely going to be an improvement.

xyzsparetimexyz 10 hours ago||
It's actually so over
jstummbillig 9 hours ago||
That took the strangest turn. It started with empowerment to do much more (and that I reallY agree with) — to then use it to... build everything from scratch? What? Why?

What a framework gives me is mostly other people having done precisely the architectural work, that is a prequisite to my actual work. It's fantastic, for the same reason that automatic coding is. I want to solve unsolved problems asap.

I am so confused by the disconnect that I feel like I must be missing something.

lcnmrn 8 hours ago||
Frameworks are stable by design, generated code isn't. Why people still had to learn math when calculator was invented?
capitanazo77 5 hours ago|
Frameworks help you reduce to the point to irreducible complexity.

Not using a framework means creating and maintaining a new and bad one.

And the AI doesn’t even do that. They repeat and create new complexity

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