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Posted by alainrk 14 hours ago

Coding agents have replaced every framework I used(blog.alaindichiappari.dev)
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tantalor 10 hours ago|
> We can finally get rid of all that middle work. That adapting layer of garbage we blindly accepted during these years.

Oh, you accepted that? I feel sorry for you. Many of us never did.

skybrian 10 hours ago||
You can also decide to switch frameworks or even languages. I switched a personal app I'm working on from Go to Deno and Hono and it's quite nice.
prophesi 11 hours ago||
"Software engineers are scared of designing things themselves."

So the answer is to let AI agents design it for you, trained on the data of the giants of software engineering. Got it!

Ronsenshi 13 hours ago||
Pretty much completely disagree with the OP. Software Engineering never left, maybe the author moved away from it instead.

> Stop wrapping broken legs in silk. Start building things that are yours.

This however is deeply wrong for me. Anyone who writes and reviews code regularly knows very well that reading code doesn't lead to the same deep intuitive understanding of the codebase as writing same code.

So, no, with AI you are not building things which are yours. You might call them yours, but you lose deeper understanding of what you built.

adamddev1 12 hours ago||
> That adapting layer of garbage we blindly accepted during these years.

Wouldn't everything that agents produce be better described as a "layer of garbage?"

theonething 7 hours ago||
A huge advantage of frameworks to me is to give new comers to the code a unified frame of reference. A Rails developer (or even a non-Rails guys who understands MVC) can jump into a Rails based codebase he is not familiar with a lot easier than the custom "from the ground up" thing the author espouses.

It's puzzling to me that the author doesn't even mention this huge and obvious benefit of frameworks.

mentalgear 13 hours ago||
If a framework, best a minimal one using web standards E.g. svelte or https://nuejs.org/.
alainrk 13 hours ago|
You're right, clearly I've tried to be a bit provocative to pass the message, but I'm not religious in this sense. Minimal frameworks that really solve a problem cleanly and are adopted with intention are welcome.
bsenftner 13 hours ago||
There is yet another issue: the end-users are fickle fashion minded people, and will literally refuse to use an application if it does not look like the latest React-style. They do not want to be seen using "old" software, like wearing the wrong outfit or some such nonsense. This is real, and baffling.
tayo42 10 hours ago||
Wouldn't frameworks be better for Ai?

They're used more frequently, I couldn't imagine in python there's more examples of web servers from scratch then using flask or Django?

Frameworks provide a layer of abstraction, so the code is denser, which will use less tokens, and put less code in the prompt.

sam0x17 11 hours ago|
lol ok have fun building from zero _without_ abstractions. It will work for the narrow thing you first tell it to build, the fun comes when you tell it to change in any way.
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