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Posted by brandonb 7 hours ago

Omega-3 is inversely related to risk of early-onset dementia(pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
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unsupp0rted 6 hours ago|
I would recommend it to elderly family members, but they have atrial fibrillation, and I heard omega 3 can exacerbate it?
staticassertion 6 hours ago||
It's seemingly dose dependent. Low omega 3 can seems to have the same mechanistic effect. As for what the dose should be? No clue, personally, and it depends on your heavily diet since even one fishy meal could provide as much as most supplements do. Personally, I don't eat much fish, so I'm comfortable with a supplement. If I ate even one piece of salmon in a day I'd skip the supplement that day.

If I had afib I'd talk to a doctor about it before taking it and probably would stay well under 1G on any day I don't eat fish and skip it entirely on a day that I do.

Not a dr, not a health professional, not anyone you should listen to perhaps at all, but this is my understanding.

unsupp0rted 5 hours ago||
> If I had afib I'd talk to a doctor about it before taking it

Doctors err on the side of "I read a note that said omega 3 = bad for afib" and stop thinking from that point onward.

staticassertion 4 hours ago||
Yes, Doctors are humans and humans are mostly annoying and lazy. You'll have to search around for a good one, as with all people.
KempyKolibri 3 hours ago||
There’s a good pod on this exact subject with nutrition scientists: https://sigmanutrition.com/episode538/

The TL;DR (IIRC) is that we tend to only see this in trials where atrial fib is a tertiary endpoint so there’s not really compelling data to suggest AF is a risk.

But give it a listen and see what you think, it was a while ago I listened to it and I’m not qualified to give actual advice!

purplehat_ 4 hours ago||
Omega-3 good, Omega-6 bad has been known for many years.

For example, Scott Alexander wrote in 2014 on his blog Slate Star Codex about how Omega-3 lowers crime rates and Omega-6 increases crime rates. And he links to some cool RCTs where you can check the methodology yourself.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/18/proposed-biological-ex...

Eat your fish!

akashnagar 5 hours ago||
Highly underrated
46493168 6 hours ago||
Are vegan sources of omega 3 worth it or am I fucked
FeteCommuniste 5 hours ago||
Just use an algae-based omega-3 supplement. Eating algae is how fish build up omega-3 levels in their bodies anyway.
ultreia 5 hours ago||
This is the only Omega-3 thing I felt actually made a difference back when I was vegan. All of the ALA-based supplements I tried were useless.
Qem 2 hours ago||
How did you measure it? Blood panels?
KempyKolibri 3 hours ago|||
Just get an omega 3 supplement that has a good amount of DHA and EPA. There’s not as much evidence to support it as there is to support eating fish, but that’s more due to a dearth of research on the subject than because the evidence suggests it has no effect.

Unfortunately it tends to be more expensive. I have recs if you’re in the UK but not much use otherwise!

scns 5 hours ago|||
Should be, that's where the fish get it from.
andyjohnson0 5 hours ago|||
Not sure where you are located, but here in the UK supermarkets (eg Tesco) sell vegan omega 3/6/9 capsules.
Manfred 6 hours ago|||
Seaweed :)
boston_clone 5 hours ago||
very worth it! seven years here with no negative health effects noticed; plus, you’re saving animal lives and helping sustain the planet.

natural sources for omega FAs include hemp hearts and pumpkin seeds.

pengaru 6 hours ago||
I suspect the positive effects of consuming nutritious forms of fish-centric meals has as much to do with what you're _not_ eating in those meals as contents like omega-3s.

There's a bunch of less harmful stuff you can fill your diet with that just by virtue of displacing terrible things has positive effects.

coffeefirst 5 hours ago|
Yeah. In many cases these correlations wind up being a measure of home cooking.
DonThomasitos 7 hours ago||
Cool! But isn‘t that already common wisdom and the basis for the omega3 fanboy culture?
dude250711 7 hours ago|
Just a stepping stone towards Omega 6, 9 and ultimately 7 grindset...
testdelacc1 7 hours ago||
If you’re not already on Omega 12, it’s already over for you. You’re cooked. Just pre-pay your funeral expenses and wait a couple weeks.
cmenge 6 hours ago||
Whatever it is, if you have the Omega 13 you get a chance to correct it! Though that one might not help for slow-moving deterioration...
ck2 5 hours ago||
Studies also show you do NOT need DHA and DHA can be detrimental, you want pure EPA or very high EPA to DHA ratio

if you want the purest Omega3 EPA without all the contaminants that are in OTC supplement nonsense (they are completely unregulated and untested by batch)

ask your doctor for a script of generic VASCEPA

CostPlusDrugs has the cheapest generic Vascepa that I've found

The dose is usually two pills a day but trust me on this, start with one for a long time, it takes your GI a long time to handle it without bathroom urgency

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5282870/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoQUM30Ess

sfdlkj3jk342a 5 hours ago|
Your link doesn't say anything about dementia. Do you have any source that shows EPA is more beneficial than DHA?

What I found from a quick search says the opposite:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4019002/

ck2 4 hours ago||
sorry it requires a little detective work

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7760937/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3534764/

> "An X-ray diffraction study found that EPA and DHA exert different effects on the lipid bilayer of cell membranes. EPA readily incorporates into the cell membrane core and stabilizes it, whereas DHA does not"

> "Why does this matter? Cell membranes are essential for cellular function: not only do they provide structural support for cells, but they also facilitate cell-to-cell communication and nutrient/toxin transport. Different effects of EPA and DHA on membrane stability likely elicit different effects in cell signaling. A second study revealed that in addition to stabilizing cell membranes, EPA is also protective against harmful reactive oxygen species and lipid peroxidation"

basically EPA modulates the immune system, DHA does not

sfdlkj3jk342a 4 hours ago||
That's evidence of possible low-level protective mechanisms, but what really matters in the end is the effect on cognition, which in RCTs have favored DHA.
midtake 6 hours ago|
It's difficult if not impossible to increase your intake of omega-3 without increasing your intake of omega-6 even more. I am not sure that's worth it.
the_pwner224 5 hours ago||
The O3:O6 ratio matters more. And with the right diet it's very easy to get tons of O3 with an excellent O6 ratio (1:4 vs. the 1:10+ of the standard western diet). Vegan with some seeds (hemp, flax, chia, etc.) and a fish oil or algal EPA/DHA supplement will do it quite easily. As long as you use olive/avocado oil over the O6-heavy cooking oils. Other diets are probably also capable of this.
KempyKolibri 3 hours ago||
I’m not aware of any compelling evidence that the n3:n6 ratio actually matters as long as you’re meeting the absolute required levels of each.

There was a big push for this hypothesis in the 2010s, but on closer inspection the only research that seemed to support it was where the “low n3:n6 ratio” cohort were there by virtue of low n3, not high n6.

Where studies compare groups of people where ratios were manipulated but both were at adequate levels, I don’t believe we see any evidence of a deleterious effect.

the_pwner224 3 hours ago||
Cool thanks for the correction!
ipaddr 6 hours ago|||
Not sure I understand. Replacing chicken with salmon seems simple. So does eating walnuts.
Aldipower 5 hours ago||
Linseed oil.
aedrax 5 hours ago||
unfortunately the effectiveness from Omega 3 is from DHA and EPA but ALA (seed based omega 3) is minimal effective. Algae based omega 3 might be fine though