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Posted by noleary 3 hours ago

America has a tungsten problem(www.noleary.com)
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sholladay 2 hours ago|
So we are finally building the Rods from God

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

HelloUsername 3 hours ago||
Are they secretly building the "Rods from God"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
Gravityloss 3 hours ago||
Between stable and contract honoring entities it's also possible to trade for things that not everyone produces, or do large long term investments in things like mines or refineries outside your own territory.
01100011 3 hours ago||
There is likely a good amount of tungsten, along with other useful elements, sitting buried in US landfills.

It may take a while, but one day our old landfills will turn into mines.

Gigachad 3 hours ago|
With most resources, it’s usually not that they literally can’t be found, but that the cheap sources are gone. If tungsten costs 20x as much to extract, it doesn’t matter that it technically exists, a lot of users are just not going to be able to afford it.
dmurray 2 hours ago||
The article says the US currently imports about 10,000 tons of tungsten per year, and has no active production, so that's also its current usage.

Tungsten costs about $200/kg [0]

So the total US tungsten usage is $2 billion/year.

If the price goes up 20x overnight, and nobody changes their purchasing behaviours, that costs US businesses, consumers and government $38 billion.

That's a lot of money for most people, but it's being spread over a wide base.

For a comparison, the US uses about 20 million barrels of oil per day [1] or 7 billion per year. So a 20x shock in tungsten would be roughly equivalent to oil prices going up $5/barrel. In fact oil fluctuates by that much most quarters [2], if not most months. People complain a little when it goes up, but it takes more than that to really have a noticeable effect on the economy.

A 2x or 5x price increase - a huge shock in any context - would be problematic for a few companies, but really business as usual for the US as a whole.

[0] https://www.metal.com/tungsten

[1] https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_oil_consumption

[2] https://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-cha...

tomondev 3 hours ago||
Not surprising. In addition to Tungsten or rare earth materials, I am sure there are many more "problems" that America is dependent on China.
irishcoffee 3 hours ago|
Yeah, the US let China do the dirty work because it was cheaper. And it was cheaper because China doesn’t care about dumping waste wherever they’d like and building suicide nets for their employees because of how they’re treated.

America depended on China to not care about the environment or people. China is pretty good at that.

actionfromafar 3 hours ago|||
Fear not, we will Make America Great Again. Back to the "gilded age".
Hikikomori 3 hours ago|||
China sounds a lot like a conservative wet dream. Are they just jealous?
irishcoffee 1 hour ago||
If you think there are actually conservatives and liberals at the billionaire level I have a bridge to sell you. The joke is on you, boss.

Ignoring your ignorance for a moment, the logic you could have realized is, the US did it to save money and line their pockets. Political affiliations have nothing to do with it.

josefritzishere 3 hours ago||
It's worth mentioning that the US has tungsten mines, but they are not operating currently. https://www.usgs.gov/data/tungsten-deposits-united-states
phendrenad2 2 hours ago||
> One wonders: Why does China produce >80% of the world's tungsten? Why has there been zero domestic tungsten mining in the United States?

Mining and refining rare earth is a dirty process. NIMBYs pushed it farther and farther away until it was on the other side of the world.

goopypoop 2 hours ago||
obligatory simpsons reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTLYris4kJU
bell-cot 3 hours ago|
Between the critical strategic/military need, the by-far largest producer being an unfriendly rival power, and commercial production looking like a very poor fit for the use case - the Old School solution would be for the gov't to own & probably operate the needed mines, refining facilities, and stockpiles.

But between our low-functioning gov't and our lower-functioning Capitalist-Ideological Complex, I'd be surprised if such a solution was even mentioned.