Posted by meetpateltech 22 hours ago
"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."
It's like complaining about the availability of the printing press because it proliferated tabloid production, while preferring beautifully hand-crafted tomes. It's reactively trendy to hate on it because of the vulgar production it enables and to elevate the artisanal extremes that escape its apparent influence
"Essentially all software is augmented with Stack Overflow now, or if not, built with technology or on platforms that is."
Agentic development isn't a panacea nor as widespread as you claim. I'd wager that the vast majority of developers treat AI is a more specified search engine to point them in the direction they're looking for.
AI hallucination is still as massive problem. Can't tell you the number of times I've used agentic prompting with a top model that writes code for a package based on the wrong version number or flat out invents functionality that doesn't exist.
If I do it myself, I get the added bonus of actually understanding what the code is doing, which makes debugging any issues down the line way easier. It's also in generally better for teams b/c you can ask the 'owner' of a part of the codebase what their intuition is on an issue (trying to have AI fill in for this purpose has been underwhelming for me so far).
Trying to maintain a vibecoded codebase essentially involves spelunking though a non-familliar codebase every time manual action is needed to fix an issue (including reviewing/verifying the output of an AI tool's fix for the issue).
(For small/pinpointed things, it has been very good. e.g.: write a python script to comb through this CSV and print x details about it/turn this into a dashboard)
Opus 4.5 and 4.6 is where those instances have gone down, waaay down (though still true). Two personal projects I had abandoned after sonnet built a large pile of semi working cruft it couldn’t quite reason about, opus 4.6 does it in almost one shot.
You are right about learning but consider: you can educate yourself along the way — in some cases it’s no substitute for writing the code yourself, and in many cases you learn a ton more because it’s an excellent teacher and you can try out ideas to see which work best or get feedback on them. I feel I have learned a TON about the space though unlike when I code it myself I may not be extremely comfortable with the details. I would argue we are about 30% of the way to the point where it’s not even no longer relevant it’s a disservice to your company to be writing things yourself.
Surely if all software is augmented with agentic development now, our most important space probes have had their software augmented too, right?
What about my blog that I serve static pages on? What about the xray machine my dentist uses? What about the firmware in my toaster? Does the New York Stock Exchange use AI to action stock trades? What about my telescope's ACSOM driver?
Blog: I use AI to make and blog developers are using agentic tools
X-ray machine: again a little late here, plus if you want to start dragging in places that likely have a huge amount of beaurocracy I don’t know that that’s very fair
Firmware in your toaster: cmon these are old basic things, if it’s new firmware maybe? But probably not? These are not strong examples
NYSE to action on stock trades; no they don’t use AI to action on stock trades (that would be dumb and slow and horribly inefficient and non-deterministic), but may very well now be using AI to work on the codebase that does
Let’s try to find maybe more impactful examples than small embodied components in toasters and telescopes, 1970s era telescopes that are already past our solar system.
The denial runs deep
Commit hook > Background agent summarizes (in a data structure) the work that went into the commit.
Built similar (with a better name) a week ago at a hackathon: https://github.com/eqtylab/y
Gotta bully that thing man. There's probably room in the market for a local tool that strips the superfluous niceties from instructions. Probably gonna save a material amount of tokens in aggregate.
Tech marketing has become a lot like dating, no technical explanation and intellectual honesty, just word words words and unreasonable expectations.
People usually cannot be honest in their romantic affairs, and here it is the same. Nobody can state: we just want to be between you and whatever you want to accomplish, rent seeking forever!
Will they ever care to elaborate HOW things works and the rationale behind stating this provides any benefit whatsoever? Perhaps this is not intended for those type of humans that care about understanding and logic?
Do we have new words for smaller amounts or is this inflation at work?