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Posted by WXLCKNO 8 hours ago

Claude Code is being dumbed down?(symmetrybreak.ing)
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testfrequency 4 hours ago|
I agree the quality of Claude Code recent has felt poor and frustrating.

I’ve been persistently dealing with the agent running in circles on itself when trying to fix bugs, not following directions fully and choosing to only accomplish partial requests, failing to compact and halting a session, and ignoring its MCP tooling and doing stupid things like writing cruddy python and osascripts unnecessarily.

I’ve been really curious about codex recently, but I’m so deep into Claude Code with multiple skills, agents, MCPs, and a skill router though.

Can anyone recommend an easy migration path to codex as a first time codex user from Claude code?

artisin 7 hours ago||
Vibe-coders griping about Claude's vibe-coded CLI hits all the right vibes.
Maxion 7 hours ago||
Literally the opposite though, as being able to see what it reads allows you to tell it to ignore certain files when you see it read the wrong one, and adjust the claude.md file to ensure that it does not read incorrect files given a specific input.

True vibe coders don't care about this.

WXLCKNO 7 hours ago|||
Jokes about vibe-coded CLI aside, I think that's the issue for me, the defaults are being tailored to vibe coders. (and the general weirdness of trying to fix it with verbose mode)

I like that people who were afraid of CLIs perhaps are now warming up to them through tools like Claude Code but I don't think it means the interfaces should be simplified and dumbed down for them as the primary audience.

Sure you can press CTRL+O, but that's not realtime and you have to toggle between that and your current real time activity. Plus it's often laggy as hell.

koverstreet 7 hours ago|||
Yeah, these all sound like complete non issues if you're actually... keeping your codebase clean and talking through design with Claude instead of just having it go wild.

I'm using it for converting all of the userspace bcachefs code to Rust right now, and it's going incredibly smoothly. The trick is just to think of it like a junior engineer - a smart, fast junior engineer, but lacking in experience and big picture thinking.

But if you were vibe coding and YOLOing before Claude, all those bad habits are catching up with you suuuuuuuuuuuper hard right now :)

red_hare 7 hours ago||
I hate to say it, but "vibe-coders" are just "coders" now.

It's a huge shift, but we need to start thinking of AI-tools as developer tools, just like a formatter, linter, or IDE would be.

The right move is diversity. Just like diversity of editors/IDEs. We need good open source claude code alternatives.

ezekiel68 7 hours ago|||
They aren't, though.

As a SE with over 15 years' professional experience, I find myself pointing out dumb mistakes to even the best frontier models in my coding agents, to refine the ouput. A "coder" who is not doing this on the regular is only a tool of their tool.

(in my mental model, a "vibe coder" does not do this, or at least does not do it regularly)

lukan 6 hours ago|||
Well, the term lacks clarity and a shift of meaning.

If you define "vibe-coders" as people who just write prompts and don't look at code - no, they ain't coders now.

But if you mean people who do LLM-assistet coding, but still read code (like all of those who are upset by this change) - then sure, they always have been coders.

shevy-java 7 hours ago||
This shows one problem here: a private entity controls Claude Code. You can reason that it brings benefits (perhaps), but to me it feels wrong to allow my thinking or writing code be controlled by a private entity. Perhaps I have been using Linux for too long - I may turn into RMS 2.0 (not really though, I like BSD/MIT licences too).
Johnny_Bonk 3 hours ago||
I unfortunately have unsubbed from my 200 plan after having it for months, It really really seems to me that you never 100% feel like you're getting 4.6 and the same was happening with 4.5, some sessions it truly felt like haiku was being used despite the default setting and high thinking.
jwr 7 hours ago||
I really dislike this trend that unfortunately has become, well, a trend. And has followers. Namely, let's simplify to "reduce noise" and "not overwhelm users", because "the majority of users don't need…".

This is spreading like a plague: browser address bars are being trimmed down to nothing. Good luck figuring out which protocol you're using, or soon which website you are talking to. The TLS/SSL padlock is gone, so is the way to look into the site certificate (good luck doing that on recent Safari versions). Because users might be confused.

Well the users are not as dumb as you condescendingly make them out to be.

And if you really want to hide information, make it a config setting. Ask users if they want "dumbo mode" and see if they really do.

thisisit 6 hours ago||
My last experience with Claude support was a fun merry go round.

I had used a Visa card to buy monthly Pro subscription. One day I ran out of credits so I go to buy extra credit. But my card is declined. I recheck my card limit and try again. Still declined.

To test the card I try extending the Pro subscription. It works. That's when I notice that my card has a security feature called "Secure by Visa". To complete transaction I need to submit OTP on a Visa page. I am redirected to this page while buying Pro subscription but not when trying to buy extra usage.

I open a ticket and mention all the details to Claude support. Even though I give them the full run down of the issue, they say "We have no way of knowing why your card was declined. You have to check with your bank".

Later I get hold of a Mastercard with similar OTP protection. It is called Mastercard Securecode. The OTP triggers on both subscription and extra usage page.

I share this finding with support as well. But the response is same - "We checked with our engineering team and we have no way of knowing why the other Visa card was declined. You have to check with your bank".

I just gave up trying to buy extra usage. So, I am not really surprised if they keep making the product worse.

encom 6 hours ago||
I guarantee you talked to a chat bot. There are no human support agents anywhere anymore.
polski-g 6 hours ago||
Its true. They have no idea why your bank was declining the charge, only that it was declined.
heywoods 7 hours ago||
https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/24537

Seems like a dashboard mode toggle to run in a dedicated terminal would be a good candidate to move some of this complexity Anthropic seems to think “most” users can’t handle. When your product is increasing cognitive load the answer isn’t always to remove the complexity entirely. That decision in this case was clearly the wrong one.

boutell 7 hours ago||
Strong meme game. I'm on an older release and now I'm reluctant to update. In my current release, the verbosity is just where I want it and control-o is there when I really need it.
the__alchemist 5 hours ago||
Hey... I have been experimenting with Claude for a few days, and am not thrilled with it compared to web chatbots. I suspect this is partly me being new and unskilled with it, but this is a general summary.

ChatGPT or Gemini: I ask it what I wish to do, and show it the relevant code. It gives me a often-correct answer, and I paste it into my program.

Claude: I do the same, and it spends a lot of time thinking. When I check the window for the result, it's stalled with a question... asking to access a project or file that has nothing to do with the problem, and I didn't ask it to look for. Repeat several times until it solves the problem, or I give up with the questions.

viraptor 6 hours ago|
I don't get why people cling to the Claude Code abusive relationship. It's got so many issues, it's getting worse, and it's clear that there's no plan to make it open for patching.

Meanwhile OpenCode is right there. (despite Anthropic efforts, you can still use it with a subscription) And you can tweak it any way you want...

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