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Posted by erickhill 1 day ago

Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues(noheger.at)
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zapzupnz 1 day ago|
Resizing windows is easier when you don't have to grab the corner. Some people are talking about holding a key to resize on Linux but I don't want to be forced to use the keyboard.

My favourite solution on macOS is an app called Swish which lets you do trackpad/Magic Mouse gestures to throw windows into corners, along edges, etc.

nickjj 11 hours ago||
> Some people are talking about holding a key to resize on Linux but I don't want to be forced to use the keyboard.

You don't have to use your keyboard.

For example I never use my mouse's DPI button which is a little button next to the wheel mouse. You can remap that to whatever key you need to hold to resize a window and now you have a fully mouse driven solution for resizing.

eviks 22 hours ago||
Why is keyboard a problem if your left hand is always on it? It's easier to do than a mouse only gesture and easier to remember
zapzupnz 22 hours ago|||
Using a trackpad gesture is just as quick, easier, more spatially natural, and only uses one hand.

My left hand is not always on my keyboard. I'm not always typing. I'm not modelling 100% of my computer usage after "how to get RSI the fastest"; sometimes, I allow myself to lean back in my chair and just scroll the web, documents, photos etc. from time to time.

eviks 21 hours ago|||
> Using a trackpad gesture is just as quick

Definitely not, many of swish gestures require you to move the mouse cursor to the title bar, which takes time, also holding a key and performing a simpler gesture can’t be slower than performing a more complicated gesture (which it needs to be to deconflict with regular mouse use)

Also many gestures have a delay built in so you can cancel or double down for a different functionally (close windows vs close app), so it’s slower by design.

> easier

It’s harder because you have to memorize more gestures and perform more complicated ones.

> more spatially natural

That makes no sense, the spatial movements are the same, can you give an example for resizing?

> and only uses one hand.

Yes, that’s the only potential benefit, unless, of course, your other hand is always near a corner, so it doesn’t matter

> I'm not always typing

That's fine, you don't need to type to have your left hand rest near the left near corner of the keyboard (it doesn’t even have to rest on the home row since you only need the corner)

> I'm not modelling 100% of my computer usage after "how to get RSI the fastest"

Well, you're, you've just moved your RSI to your right hand

Also hands have same length, so leaning back doesn't prevent leaving one finger on a modifier

Anyway, place your hands wherever you like them, it’s just that none of your arguments support it.

frou_dh 15 hours ago|||
> sometimes, I allow myself to lean back in my chair and just scroll

WHAT??! This cannot be allowed!! /s

It's clear from reading programmer geek thoughts on peripherals over the years that autistic types love the "Use keyboard 100% of the time!" dogma because it is black-and-white thinking. The idea of someone knowing how to do things in a multitude of ways and changing it up based on mood is displeasing.

skydhash 14 hours ago||
>> sometimes, I allow myself to lean back in my chair and just scroll

> WHAT??! This cannot be allowed!! /s

We just lean back with the keyboard and scroll with the Space key. Also using cwm, I move my windows with Super+{h,j,k,l} and resize them with Super+Shift+{h,j,k,l}.

wpm 21 hours ago|||
Sometimes my left hand is holding a coffee mug
insin 16 hours ago||
Easy Move+Resize and Carry On

https://github.com/dmarcotte/easy-move-resize

jll29 16 hours ago||
As thrilled as I was when seeing the first round window on X11's xeyes, it is not a good use of developers' time and compute resources to deal with rounded corners.

The reduction of UX quality that goes along with the lesser space for grabbing a window's corner are unacceptable for me.

There are few recent innovations in UX, and many regressions. One thing that I appreciate is the "split window" in Chromium instead of adding yet another tab.

tlhunter 1 day ago||
What drives me nuts is if I slam my cursor against the right side of the window with the intent to click and drag the scroll bar of a maximized window up and down then the 1px wide window border gets selected and the whole window moves up and down. This has been a bug for several years.
Nevermark 1 day ago|
When I select there, if I pull away from the window it resizes and won't drag. If I move the pointer up-down on the right or left side, it moves the window and won't resize.

Which seems like a sensible and convenient choice to me.

Maybe it isn't working so predictably for you?

tlhunter 23 hours ago||
It's definitely neither sensible nor convenient. I expect it to trigger the scrollbar, not move the whole window. The only way one should be able to move the window is to drag the title bar. There's no reason clicking and dragging the 1px window border should ever move the whole window. Every Linux window manager, Windows, and IIRC Mac System <= 9 behaves this way.
badc0ffee 1 day ago||
Doesn't the cursor change into a pair of <-> arrows when you hover over the clickable area?
akersten 1 day ago|
Only for the currently focused window which is inexplicably weird
argsnd 1 day ago||
A lot of the cursor weirdness on macOS comes from the window server owning the cursor and only passing events to active windows.
igregoryca 1 day ago||
It's kind of nice, though, because you can click anywhere on a window to focus it. If you want to interact with a background window without focusing it, hold Cmd and click.
wpm 21 hours ago||
On every app but the System Settings app since it is so busted it takes 5 or 6 clicks before it focuses.
4ggr0 15 hours ago||
i encourage everyone here to try a tiling window manager like i3/sway on Linux to experience a snappy way to manage window (sizes).

on MacOS i will never not use something like rectangle, the out-of-the-box experience on MacOS has always been dogshit in my opinion, it just screams for a third-party software to do the heavy lifting.

_def 1 day ago||
I miss resizing windows with alt+right click
matja 1 day ago|
Did macOS support that at some time in the past?

I've used Linux as my daily OS for 20 years and got so used to alt-right resize and alt-left drag that the macOS and Windows way of actually needing to move my mouse to the corner or edge of a window feel almost barbaric in comparison.

I still have found no way free equivalent on macOS.

anorb 1 day ago||
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MBCook 1 day ago||
Trying to get Liquid Glass to work is such a clown show. Incredible.

The UI wasn’t perfect before. It’s slowly been getting worse with each of their dumb updates to make it look more like iOS over the years.

What we’re forced to use now is just a joke. Ignoring all the visual design issues they can’t even make basic stuff fully functional.

kyralis 1 day ago|
The worst part is that Liquid Glass isn't even good on iOS.
ggm 1 day ago|
This is a design flub which we are told Jobs simply wouldn't have let out the door. The Jobs who made people shave 50ms off boot times. The Jobs who demanded the no button mouse.

I get the cult of Steve is a bit oversold but the proprietor liked to check the finish on the car rolling out the end of the line and if his fingers felt a rough edge on a panel he had no compunction stopping the production line to find the problem. The current generation have a bit too much "fixed in post" going on.

staplers 1 day ago||
"Fixed in post" meaning fixed in version XX.00.2 now. Fire QA and use community feedback seems standard now.
renato_shira 1 day ago||
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