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Posted by ozzyphantom 10 hours ago

Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android(ios-countdown.win)
1210 points | 598 commentspage 2
davnicwil 3 hours ago|
The most frustrating one for me is how in safari in the address bar the keyboard changes and drops '.' to the right of the spacebar in the exact spot I usually hit the spacebar with my thumb (because I'm just tapping the edge, not stretching to the middle of the screen).

This means in the modern mode of using the address bar as search, and not to type a domain manually (which is what I believe most people are also doing) I just end up with a search string separated by dots which Google can evidently deal with but is just very annoying.

I see threads on the internet going back years complaining about this issue and yet there's no configuration to change it. It would be such a simple and easy fix (like, just give me the regular keyboard, nothing special). It's a bit baffling since it seems such a glaring everyday UX problem.

imglorp 8 hours ago||
> orange iPhone was pretty and the Pixel 10 was boring

I guess this is really important to people.

One time I broke an Android, which happened to be white, and spoke to the insurer for a replacement. The agent insisted she find me another white phone, not another Android, and though an iPhone was suitable. She couldn't grok how the OS and phone specs were more important than the color.

hu3 8 hours ago|
Right? Most people encase it in an opaque phone case anyway.
prof-dr-ir 8 hours ago||
I agree that this behavior is insane and should be fixed.

Do however note that it is possible to install another keyboard on iOS, which may alleviate your suffering before you switch to Android in about 120 days.

Personally I rely on Gboard [0] every day for the simple reason that it auto-detects several (more than two) languages, and of course it has the added benefit of not having this crazy bug. Gboard is google software however, so it does come with huge privacy issues, and others will hopefully point out better alternatives.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gboard

abhinavk 7 hours ago||
Gboard for iOS has been discontinued though. On top of that, 3rd party keyboards are a bit limited on iOS (which might be a good thing for some people).
henryaj 6 hours ago||
Has it? It's still on the App Store. Is it just not in active development?
hurfdurf 5 hours ago||
Last update was almost four years ago: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gboard-the-google-keyboard/id1...
pants2 8 hours ago|||
Gboard is a lot better than the native keyboard. Strange that OP is going to such lengths to complain when iOS supports other keyboards.

The main benefit I've found with Gboard is a larger vocabulary, and perhaps a less aggressive autocorrect that doesn't constantly try to correct technical terms into similar common words.

ozzyphantom 2 hours ago|||
I’ve tried Gboard and SwiftKey on iOS.

Not sure if Google just gave up on updating the iOS variant or if Apple holds it back intentionally (probably a bit of both) but they pale in comparison to their Android counterparts.

I’d prefer a useable stock keyboard but I take your point.

httpsterio 2 hours ago||
SwiftKey also crashes daily. There's no good keyboard for iphones, at least for my stubby fingers. I've literally won local mobile typing speed contests (so it's not user error I dare say) and the last five-ish years that I've been on ios have been a total and utter misery. If I had some cash floating around I would be back on android.
LollipopYakuza 7 hours ago||||
I’m not suggesting this is the author’s reason, but avoiding a Google product that keep a trail of everything you type seems like a strong argument.
pants2 6 hours ago|||
Via iOS permissions you can restrict internet access to the keyboard and it still works well.
WrongAssumption 5 hours ago|||
I can guarantee that's 100% not his reason given that his stated alternative is switching to Android.
LollipopYakuza 2 hours ago||
Yeah fair point
pllbnk 7 hours ago|||
One of the reasons in recent times to go to Apple ecosystem was supposedly better privacy protections and decoupling from dependency on Google. You would pay extra for the UX and privacy among other things. Installing third party keyboard means that they can see what I type.
NetMageSCW 4 hours ago||
Apple has a privacy setting for each keyboard that restricts if they have network access.
pllbnk 3 hours ago||
Glad to learn this! I didn't know about it but I also double-checked the UI and it says in a warning dialog that the third party will be able to see everything I type and the network setting isn't mentioned there.

Anyway, my point regarding the UX still stands. Apple's UX is barely as good as other major player's - not great, not terrible. Mediocrity isn't what Apple should be aiming at.

RankingMember 8 hours ago|||
I have Gboard and have weird issues with it crashing randomly. Not sure if it's because it's hamstrung by the limitations of Apple's support for alternative keyboards or what.
failuser 3 hours ago|||
Any properly supported third-party keyboards? Swiftkey was bought by Microsoft and lost my vote. Gboard stopped updating.
kilroy123 3 hours ago||
+1

I do the same, and I find it way better.

lxndrdagreat 9 hours ago||
> You were the "it just works" company. Now you're just a fruit that I used to know.

This had me simultaneously chuckling and sad, because it feels very true.

causal 7 hours ago|
Switching from Android, I was shocked by how much in fact did not just work. I kept a running list of basic features that were clearly broken.

Especially around text editing. It seems like they made some fundamental mistakes with their text inputs that they are playing hard defense on. I never know if a given field is going to respond to long-press, double tap, or what context menu I will get if any.

JonoBB 2 hours ago||
Totally agree. I swapped about 2 years ago (work requirements), and I battle against the Apple keyboard every single day. I prefer the Android keyboard in every single way - it’s more intuitive, works better, more logical, significantly better auto-correct, significantly better text selection, much better prediction, and so on.

Everything seems so much more intuitive and just easier in Android.

For how good the Apple hardware is compared to the rest (especially MacBooks), the software really lets it down.

JohnMakin 7 hours ago||
It's so many things other than the keyboard I notice are just like, "wtf, who and why decided this was a good idea?"

In safari browser, if you want to go to the menu where you can favorite/bookmark a page, the tiles on the menu are literally different and in different order every time. Sometimes you might need to press an additional button to find what you're looking for, sometimes it's there, sometimes clicking "favorite" will just go "ok, favorited" message, other times it asks for an extra prompt. Like, why? Just be consistent, I can adjust to all the "PM trying to save their role by reinventing something that isn't needed" like liquid glass, but the usability itself suffers all over the place in the latest ios releases. It's very difficult to understand, because up until a little while ago it had been consistently very good.

itopaloglu83 5 hours ago|
Let me name names for you: Alan Dye is responsible for it, he messed up all the Apple operating systems and then fucked off to Meta.
flanbiscuit 5 hours ago||
> and I caved to the blue bubble pressure

Ha! I feel this. I was a long time Android user since the original G1 (aka HTC Dream). Was a strictly Pixel phone user for my last 4 phones. Recently jumped over to iPhone. For the most part I’m enjoying it.

There are minor things, like the keyboard being annoying to type with. For instance, when I’m typing something into the URL bar of Safari, for some reason, I’m constantly hitting the period key next to the space bar, and I feel like I’m not anywhere close to it.

I also find it confusing how to dismiss the keyboard. Android had a very clear icon for this, on iOS it’s just a checkmark which is a little misleading in my opinion.

On iOS, speech to text is pretty good, but I have to annunciate clearly, where I felt that android was a little bit more forgiving.

Another issue I’ve noticed is that I don’t think the GPS (or maybe it’s just Google maps) is as accurate as it is on android. On iOS, if I’m on a highway it sometimes thinks I’m on the shoulder road next to the highway. So I’m constantly being rerouted to get back on the highway. I felt like I didn’t have that on android.

Back to the blue bubble thing though. Being the one and only android user amongst my friends and even my wife, I was always hearing about how I ruined the chat. I didn’t realize until switching over to iOS just how integrated everything is and what you can do in the chat when everybody else is on iOS, like editing previous messages, being able to answer messages via your Messages app on your laptop, and of course, not having images and videos getting compressed terribly. Although RCS chat improved that more recently.

One thing I do love is that automation and shortcuts is something that’s natively part of the system and that I don’t to install some app like Tasker or whatever the more modern version of that is.

At this point, I really like both of the OSes. What made me actually finally switch over was that everyone I knew who had an iPhone would have it for like five or more years and I was going through pixel phones every two years. I got tired of spending all that money.

rehevkor5 3 hours ago|
You can send messages from desktop on Android too.
jtrn 2 hours ago||
In later iOs versions i started making much more mistakes. Felt i got old or something. But whenever i type on my Android phone, its like nothing has changed. I swear that the iOs keyboard is trolling, I HIT O NOT I! O AM CERTAIN!
Beestie 9 hours ago||
Android: Here's the phone; knock yourself out

Apple: Father knows best (but Father is getting old and sometimes forgets things)

Windows: If only we understood what the ancestors knew

lubujackson 8 hours ago||
More like: Apple: Father died a while back, but Step-Father is here now and he doesn't love you.
ActorNightly 7 hours ago||
If Steve jobs was still around, the iPhone would be considerably worse.
bdangubic 7 hours ago||
This is a bold statement - care to elaborate?!
n8cpdx 3 hours ago||
I think they mean worse at generating services revenue. Everyone knows that’s the iPhones primary goal and purpose.
bdangubic 1 hour ago||
This is a bold statement - care to elaborate?! :)
dgxyz 8 hours ago|||
Android is more "here's a pocket panopticon we hope you won't unconfigure"

Apple is more "here's this refined product which we designated as refined after a heavy session snooting cocaine off a toilet seat"

singpolyma3 8 hours ago||
To be fair my iPhone spys on me in much more actively creepy ways than my android ever did. Showing ads for nearby pizza places at lunchtime on the homescreen. Telling me at about the time of my son's soccer that I may be interested in going to the place where his soccer is about now (despite me never using navigation on my phone) etc
dgxyz 7 hours ago|||
Not sure how you managed to get it to do that. Mine doesn't!
MarioMan 7 hours ago|||
Not sure where ads for pizza places are coming from, but the suggested maps trips are part of the “Significant Locations” feature. That data is end-to-end encrypted across your devices and is unreadable by Apple. It can be disabled if you don’t want it tracked.
bigyabai 6 hours ago||
> That data is end-to-end encrypted across your devices and is unreadable by Apple.

Sure, Jan. Next you'll tell me that Google isn't evil and Apple truly does care about human rights.

russdill 8 hours ago||
Just to play both sides here, on pixel there is a news feed if you swipe the home screen right. It is now infused with ai summaries rather than the first few lines of the story with no way to go back.

Course, I can switch to a different launcher, but it makes it much less of a "batteries included" sort of product.

DangitBobby 7 hours ago|||
There is a setting to disable this. Long press on your home screen background > Home Settings > Toggle "Swipe to access Google app"
russdill 5 hours ago||
Right, but I appreciated easy access to a news feed.
throw7 7 hours ago||
"I caved to the blue bubble pressure"

The fact that this is a real thing is ridiculous. Say no and move on with life. This is the type of freedom that is actually freeing.

ozzyphantom 2 hours ago||
Definitely ridiculous and mostly an exaggeration on my part. There is some truth to it because the features of iMessage group chats are fun (stickers, message animations, etc.) but more generally I just like the Apple ecosystem.

My personal devices are usually Apple products and they all work together pretty seamlessly. Then I have all my other Linux servers, Windows desktops, random tablets, etc. for my hobby projects which generally require more manual configuration to work together.

I just like having my “personal” things within an aesthetically pleasing, relatively privacy preserving ecosystem but I get my kicks outside of that ecosystem aplenty.

Zagitta 1 hour ago|||
It's hardly surprising when a large percentage of HN users will whiteknight a trillion dollar company whenever EU tells them to stop anti-competitive practices.
bnchrch 6 hours ago|||
Its a real issue in North America.

SMS and as a result iMessage is the dominant text based chat.

iPhones have become the default smartphone, and is a status symbol compared to Android.

Mac vs Windows is similar on the laptop front.

Which means if your an Android user in a relatively average social group:

* You will get left out of group messages

* You will be starting on a back foot in the dating scene

On top of you wont be able to answer messages from friends on your laptop, because again, sms is dominant, not whatsapp.

Now don't shoot the messenger here. I don't like it either, but this is the social/technical reality in NA at the moment.

(sigh: receiving downvotes)

chmod775 5 hours ago|||
> iPhones have become the default smartphone, and is a status symbol compared to Android.

It does not function as a status symbol in the west. It's not a big deal to get one if you really want to and live in a developed country. People in asian countries making 1/8th of their american counterparts can afford iPhones. Someone making minimum wage in Germany can buy one using about 3-4 months worth of saved disposable income. In the states they'll throw one after you on credit without looking at you twice. It's only a status symbol if you want to set yourself apart from someone living in Zimbabwe... oh wait they also have lots of iPhone users. From who exactly? Afghanis?

Honestly if the bar for status symbol's is that low, you should sooner consider excercise and good dietary habits. These days in many western counties that will do many orders of magnitude more for how people perceive you and your dating life. Certainly more than what flavour of annoying chiming piece of shit you bought.

bnchrch 4 hours ago||
Unfortunately for us, logic isn't the arbiter of social behaviour.

Heres some examples

- https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1nt7czg/do_iphone_...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/14rhes2/friends_in...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/Nicegirls/comments/1ja3iy4/green_bu...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlineDating/comments/17xrue5/are_y...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/datingoverthirty/comments/b6w9iu/oh...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/f1i3q8/this_is_why_...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/rz4wlp/why_apples_...

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One more:

https://mashable.com/article/iphone-users-think-less-of-andr...

chmod775 4 hours ago||
I might have a bridge to sell you.

What says a lot is that you had to dredge up some up to 7 years old posts on reddit, on which replies still overwhelmingly call the idea silly. This smells like an attempt to manufacture consent, but it'd be pretty low effort for even that.

As a rule, if something sounds stupid to you, it will probably be just as silly to most people you should give a damn about. Certainly don't let some posts that look like the lowest-effort FUD imaginable tell you what other people think.

bnchrch 2 hours ago||
I may have something to teach you about indicators, averages, and population samples/biases.

We're not debating majority opinion here. Just that people exist who have that bias / perception and what it leads to.

People exist that judge and exclude based on if you have have an Android.

Im sure the reverse exits too.

Im also sure the former is more common than the later.

But I have no idea how large that population is.

Just like Im not in that population.

drnick1 4 hours ago||||
> * You will be starting on a back foot in the dating scene

Perhaps you should be focusing on losing weight instead of blaming the color of your text messages, lmao.

bnchrch 2 hours ago||
Fit, happy, married and have the cognitive ability to not conflate the message with the messenger.
driverdan 5 hours ago|||
Sounds like a good way to filter out assholes. Anyone who cares what phone you use in this way is someone you don't want in your life.
bnchrch 5 hours ago||
Maybe, but let me pose you mental model that a lot of NA iPhone users have.

For a long time, if you were on iOS and added a android user to your group chat. All threading was broken. It was no longer a group chat just a bunch of out of band messages.

So iOS users naturally started leaving the android user out of the chat. They would text their 5 friends on iOS in one group to make plans, then text their Android friend separately to update them when plans were made.

I believe this is relatively fixed in latest iOS, but that habit is still very much their in iOS users today.

Anecdotally I did just experience a group chat of 4 iOS users this year that was very active, then died when one person switched to Android.

pradmatic 6 hours ago|||
Especially with RCS support, I’m more willing to leave iOS more than ever. Group chats aren’t as easy but everyone uses WhatsApp anyway.
digiown 6 hours ago||
RCS on Android seems to require Google services, which is just as bad as Apple, and seems to not work well with GrapheneOS.
drnick1 4 hours ago||
Signal has blue bubbles if you care, and is hands down better for privacy.
ddtaylor 7 hours ago|
> I randomly tried Android again for a few months last spring. Using a functioning keyboard was revelatory. But I came crawling back to iOS because I'm weak and the orange iPhone was pretty and the Pixel 10 was boring and I caved to the blue bubble pressure. But the keyboard on this beautiful phone is worse than ever.

Most of those problems aren't solved by software. You are using your phone as a fashion item.

1970-01-01 7 hours ago|
Plus devices can be wrapped for a few dollars. Turning a Pixel orange is trivial.

https://qskinz.com/en-us/collections/google-pixel-10-skins/p...

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