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Posted by ozzyphantom 13 hours ago

Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android(ios-countdown.win)
1303 points | 658 commentspage 4
shermantanktop 7 hours ago|
I always imagine employees from the vendor (in this case Apple) reading the blog or this thread. They’re here, lurking. I see you! I see you in the shadows!

Anyway, they know things we don’t, for both good (real constraints that users don’t see) and bad (fake constraints from bad internal decisions).

But dear Apple employee reading this: if you have fought the good fight, I appreciate your attempt, please keep it up. If you didn’t, we’re having a keyboard experience that you shouldn’t be proud of, no matter what the internal corporate logic maze you are caught up in.

amatecha 6 hours ago||
Yeah, text editing on iOS has gotten progressively worse and worse. It's astonishing how much it has degraded in usability compared to the earlier versions of iOS. "It just works" is no longer a phrase I would ever consider saying about iPhones or Apple products in general. Pretty disappointing as they used to be quite an inspiration for quality software design.
numpad0 6 hours ago||
The actually issue according to another comment [0] is this[1]:

> Around iOS 17 (Sept. 2023) Apple updated their autocorrect to use a transformer model which should've been awesome and brought it closer to Gboard (Gboard is a privacy terror but honestly, worth it).

> What it actually did/failed to improve is make your phone keyboard:

> Suck at suggesting accurate corrections to misspelled words

> "Correct" misspelled words with an even worse misspelling

> "Correct" your correctly spelled word with an incorrectly spelled word

Which makes me wonder: is Transformer model good with manipulating short texts and texts with errors at all ? It's kind of known that open weight LLMs don't perform well for CJK conversion tasks[2], and I've also been disappointed by their general lack of typo tolerances myself as well. They're BAD for translating ultrashort sentences and singled out words as well[3]. They're great for vibecoding, though.

Which makes me think, are they usable for anything under <100 bytes at all? Does it seem like they have a minimum usable input entropy or something?

0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47006171

1: https://thismightnotmatter.com/a-little-website-i-made-for-a...

2: The process of yielding "㍑" from "rittoru"

3: No human can translate, e.g. "translate left" in isolation correctly as "move left arm", but LLMs seem to be more all over the place than humans

sbdaman 12 hours ago||
Keep autocorrect on and turn off predictive text. Makes the experience way better.
wlesieutre 12 hours ago||
Is predictive text the one that reaches back and changes correct words that I had already finished typing?
sbdaman 9 hours ago|||
It predicts what you are going to type as you type. It has a tendency to add words to the end of a message when you hit send.
malfist 12 hours ago||||
Man, gboard does that on android so much that I wound up installing and using heliboard. It kinda sucks but at least it doesn't "fix" your message after you type everything
washadjeffmad 12 hours ago|||
Whatever it is, it's bad on GBoard, too, if you possess better than a 6th grade vocabulary.
wilkystyle 12 hours ago|||
This helps, but it's not nearly enough, thanks to the terrible (and continually declining) quality of predictive tap zone enlargement for keyboard keys.
lynndotpy 12 hours ago||
One thing you can't fix is that every iPhone and iPad invisibly resizes the keyboard keys as you type.

:(

wilkystyle 12 hours ago||
This is actually a necessary feature for a touchscreen keyboard to feel usable, and it's been in iOS since day one. The problem is that it has gotten not only much worse over time at predicting which tap zones to enlarge, but it also feels more aggressive. For example, tapping the shift button on the iOS keyboard enlarges the Enter/Return key's touch area so much that I am unable to immediately tap the microphone icon to turn off dictation. If I've tapped shift, I need to then wait a second for the predictively-enlarged tap zone to shrink before I can turn off dictation.
lynndotpy 12 hours ago|||
I disagree that it's necessary and I wish I could disable it. They even have it enabled on iPads, which are a tad larger than the original iPhone, and which can be used with the official stylus.
wilkystyle 12 hours ago||
"Necessary" was probably too strong a word. I'm definitely no expert so I can only offer anecdotes, but for the first ~decade of iOS, the keyboard felt amazing to use. I felt super fast and typing mistakes were rare. Now I feel like I'm constantly fighting the keyboard to type the letters I actually want to type.

Agree at this point that I would disable it (in its current state) if I could, but when it worked correctly it was a huge boon to typing.

zadikian 10 hours ago||
Ok so it's not just me. I never had predictive text enabled but stopped being able to type easily when I switched from iPhone 5 to 12 mini. Thought I needed to get used to the new phone, but it's been years.
SoftTalker 9 hours ago|||
I wonder if it's an optimization for the monstrously large phones they make today, and on a reasonably sized phone such as my 12 mini it doesn't adapt well.
esskay 12 hours ago||
Funny thing is theres probably some Apple employees reading this right now kidding themselves into thinking this is an end user problem. It's not - your keyboard is bloody awful now, you made it worse.
joe_mamba 12 hours ago|
> theres probably some Apple employees reading this right now [...] you made it worse.

Apple employees reading this right now: "IDGAF about the keyboard, I made 500k in TC last year."

crossroadsguy 2 hours ago||
That's the thing. Android is equally bad in their own idiosyncratic ways. Or actually worse if you factor in stuff like Google tracks everything you do or don't do on the phone or while having the phone on you and sells/exposes those trackings to advertisers, even when you explicitly ask it to not do that. Its distractive design is by design.

If you are going to change the iOS just for the keyboard (and yeah it's keyboard is bad; but that's not even a mild atrocious design and implementation decision they have made) then I guess your intention is just a big rant and a this post and a little discourse and that's it. Esp. the 120 days timeline. To be honest if you had to switch you'd have switched you know if Apple even does such "fixings" they will take decades (not years) because 1). yes, they are that incompetent when it comes to software, 2). they wouldn't want to mix the opportunity to say even something silly like For the First Time on an iPhone™ you have TrueAutocorrect™ (which will stick suck and will be at least 2 decades behind the 20th worst Android keyboard)

So yeah, good luck.

sleight42 2 hours ago|
But there are the forks of Android that don't include anything Google.
afcool83 5 hours ago||
On the same week that an AI's PR was rejected and it turned around and published a hit-piece in order to pressure an open-source community to accept it's change [1]...on the same week...we are watching a human publish a hit-piece (more or less) in order to pressure a closed-sourced project to accept their change.

Someone needs to help me with the ethics here; is it okay to post hit-pieces or...?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46987559

AyyEye 12 hours ago||
> I caved to peer pressure. If you don't fix this thing within four months I will switch to your competitor for one maybe even two product cycles.

He sure showed them. The people I know using super old iphones are doing more than their public commitment to buy more apple products as often as they can -- after a brief tolerance break, of course.

digiown 9 hours ago|
Reminds me of these Reddit API protests for.. one day. Of course it didn't work.
smugtrain 3 hours ago||
I’m feeling this way about the removal of “Select All” so that I can no longer easily copy/paste articles to my chatbot. Freedom’s not Tim Apple.
SkyPuncher 6 hours ago|
I thought this was just me!

Every now and then, I feel like I simply cannot tap the correct keys. Things I do from muscle memory are jumping to the next letter over. This isn't just a temporary problem. It lasts for days/weeks.

Then suddenly, it's fine again.

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