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Posted by WhatsTheBigIdea 23 hours ago

IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption(fortune.com)
133 points | 51 comments
layer8 1 hour ago|
The title is a bit misleading. Reading the article, the argument seems to be that entry-level applicants (are expected to) have the highest AI literacy, so they want them to drive AI adoption.
dgxyz 10 minutes ago||
Sounds like the first step of a galactic scale fuck up
outside1234 13 seconds ago||
It is IBM after all
gerdesj 31 minutes ago||
I hope they have a good 10 years experience in that "literacy".
MikeNotThePope 26 minutes ago||
I just run sub agents in parallel. Yesterday I used Codex for the first time yesterday. I spun up 350,640 agents and got 10 years of experience in 15 minutes.
ponector 1 minute ago|||
You should also mention how many millions lines of code you* created.
cruffle_duffle 8 minutes ago|||
New metric: agent-hours spent on a task. Or so we measure in tokens. Clearly more tokens burned == more experience right?
thaway123123 1 day ago||
Is this for their in-house development or for their consulting services?

Because the latter would still be indicative of AI hurting entry level hiring since it may signal that other firms are not really willing to hire a full time entry level employee whose job may be obsoleted by AI, and paying for a consultant from IBM may be a lower risk alternative in case AI doesn't pan out.

raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago||
And if it is for consulting, I doubt very serious they will based in the US. You can’t be priced competitive hiring an entry level consultant in the US and no company is willing to pay the bill rate for US based entry level consultants unless their email address is @amazon.com or @google.com.

Source: current (full time) staff consultant at a third party cloud consulting firm and former consultant (full time) at Amazon.

xenospn 2 hours ago||
Why would Amazon bring on a full-time consultant instead of just hiring you?
raw_anon_1111 1 hour ago|||
I worked internally at AWS Professional Services - their internal consulting department - every AWS ProServe employee is a “blue badge” employee with the same initial four year offer structure of base + prorated signing bonus + RSUs (5/15/40/40). Google also has a large internal consulting department for GCP.

I can’t fault you for not knowing AWS ProServe doesn’t exist. I didn’t know either until a recruiter reached out to me.

Insanity 1 hour ago|||
My partner is also a consultant and one client was Google. I’m also confused about the exact reason why they didn’t just hire someone.
raw_anon_1111 1 hour ago|||
No that’s not what I meant at all. Amazon Professional Services are made up of full time “blue badge” employees who get the same type of base + bonus + RSUs that all other blue badge employees get.
roenxi 1 hour ago|||
"You see we leased this back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account."

~ Monty Python, Meaning of Line (1983), on The Machine that Goes Ping.

kjkjadksj 1 hour ago||
One might ask what value seniors hold if their expertise of the junior stage is obsolete. Maybe the new junior will just be reigning in llm that does the work and senior level knowledge and compensation rots away as those people retire without replacement.
sqircles 1 hour ago||
IBM has cut ~8,000 jobs in the past year or so.

Sounds like business as usual to me, with a little sensationalization.

alienbaby 2 hours ago||
"software engineers will spend less time on routine coding—and more on interacting with customers"

Ahh, what could possibly go wrong!

Insanity 1 hour ago||
Customer interaction has imo always been one of the most important parts in good engineering organizations. Delegating that to Product Managers adds unnecessary friction.
Nextgrid 1 hour ago|||
Why is that bad? You write better code when you actually understand the business domain and the requirement. It's much easier to understand it when you get it direct from the source than filtered down through dozens of product managers and JIRA tickets.
Insanity 1 hour ago|||
Not sure why this is being downvoted. It’s spot on imo. Engineers who don’t want to understand the domain and the customers won’t be as effective in an engineering organization as those who do.

It always baffles me when someone wants to only think about the code as if it exists in a vacuum. (Although for junior engineers it’s a bit more acceptable than for senior engineers).

johnnyanmac 39 minutes ago||
We're assuming we all somehow have perfect customers with technical knowledge who know exactly what they want and can express it as such, while gracefully accepting pushback over constraints brought up.

Anyone who's worked in a "bikeshed sensitive" stack of programming knows how quickly things railroad off when such customers get direct access to an engineer. Think being a fullstack dev but you constantly get requests over button colors while you're trying to get the database setup.

whstl 28 minutes ago||
Dealing with the occasional pushy customers is way easier than dealing with pushy PMs or designers. Which happen to be the majority.

Customers bikeshed WAY less than those two categories.

secondcoming 1 hour ago|||
Programmers have an unfortunate tendancy to be too honest!
whoisthemachine 48 minutes ago|||
Sounds like we're finally doing agile.
optimalsolver 1 hour ago||
I’m a people person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo

mathattack 18 hours ago||
Interesting given the current age discrimination lawsuit:

https://www.cohenmilstein.com/case-study/ibm-age-discriminat...

notepad0x90 18 hours ago|
Another one? What is it with IBM, they must really save lots of money in a way no one else has figured out by firing people at 50yo. This is like the 3rd or 4th one i've heard from them.
Spooky23 12 minutes ago||
It’s not very hard. Take a guy making $200k and 30% benefit overhead and replace with two offshore people at $50k total comp.
altcunn 1 hour ago||
Interesting signal from IBM. The "AI will replace all junior devs" narrative never accounted for the fact that you still need humans who understand the business domain, can ask the right questions, and can catch when the AI is confidently wrong. Turns out institutional knowledge doesn't just materialize from a model — you need people learning on the job to build it.
toomuchtodo 2 days ago||
https://archive.today/D6Kyc
nomilk 52 minutes ago||
The title could be dead wrong; the tripling of junior jobs might not be due to the limits of AI, but because of AI increasing the productivity of juniors to that of a mid or senior (or at least 2-3x-ing the output of juniors), thus making hiring juniors an appealing prospect to increase the company's output relative to competitors who aren't hiring in response to AI tech improvements. Hope this is the case and hope it happens across broadly across the economy. While the gutter press fear mongers of job losses, if AI makes the average employee much more useful (even if its via newly created roles), it's conceivable there's a jobs/salaries boom, including among those who 'lose their job' and move into a new one!
small_model 45 minutes ago||
They hire juniors, give them Claude Code and some specs and save a mid/senior devs salary. I believe coding is over for SWE's by end of 2027, but will take time to diffuse though the economy hence still need some cheap labour for a few years, given the H1-B ban this is one way without offshoring.
aussieguy1234 36 minutes ago|
I realized the AI replacing developers hype was all hype after watching this.

Why Replacing Developers with AI is Going Horribly Wrong https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjGZCuxl-U&pp=ygUvV2h5IHJlcGx...

A bunch of big companies took big bets on this hype and got burned badly.

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