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Posted by dvrp 16 hours ago

Show HN: Jemini – Gemini for the Epstein Files(jmail.world)
Related: Show HN: JeffTube - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47030797
176 points | 38 comments
lukeigel 3 hours ago|
Jmail maintainer and co-creator here. Very excited to see that someone finally made Jemini good!

Our development process has been interesting. Although just Riley and I first made Jmail, it's been really gratifying to see companies, journalists, and fellow developers like Diego rise to the occasion to make this entire suite of apps as high quality and extensive as possible.

embedding-shape 2 hours ago|
> Jmail maintainer and co-creator here.

Great, I've been looking to be able to contact you somewhere, hardly a better place :) Thanks for sharing the project btw, and for keeping jmail alive, been useful to dig into some stuff.

However, there seems to be some "injected" or "fake" emails, that I cannot figure out why they're there in the first place. For example this one: https://jmail.world/thread/55b91b46ef1e4487bee131a8505e14a4?...

For that example, the first problem is that there is no link to the source file from the disclosed files, which is strange, because most other emails have that. Secondly, this almost seems to be a "sponsored" email or something, as it has an ad in the top right corner reading "Sponsored by Drop Site News", but clicking that just takes you to some general page, with no clear information how that's related to the fake/injected email. Also, what does "Verified by X" actually mean, did they verify the authenticity of that specific email?

There seems to be a bunch of people confused by those emails and wondering where they are coming from, because it's missing the source link like the others, so there doesn't seem to be a good way to verify those emails. Could you maybe share a bit about what's going on?

lukeigel 1 hour ago|||
Yeah, those are mailing lists that people signed him up for after he died, including with a joke name.

He was a very famous figure in August 2019, and normal people spammed his inbox with emails like the below

https://jmail.world/thread/4accfb5f3ed84656e9762740081a4579?...

These are all real emails! We can do a better job making this clear to the user.

embedding-shape 1 hour ago|||
> These are all real emails!

Why do the rest of the emails provide a link to the online file (original one hosted at justice.gov) but the "sponsored"/ad ones do not?

This for example: https://jmail.world/thread/HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_016203?view=inbox

Has a "View Original Document" which takes you to kind-of-the-source (ideally should have been link to justice.gov but better than nothing I suppose), but for the emails with the Dropsite ad, it seems there is no original document?

lukeigel 1 hour ago||
https://jmail.world/thread/07ff1467c0f2bb976664ecafc5829aa4?...

Many Yahoo emails do show you the original source, and the original is just an EML file. These were files directly exported from Epstein's Yahoo account. Bloomberg used these EMLs to confirm that the Yahoo emails are real (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-09-12/epstei...).

We don't tamper with these EMLs, so we currently don't make the EML accessible if the team had to redact any contents of that email.

See this for example.

https://jmail.world/thread/97d4a52d1df3948368770068262d2aab?...

We can fix examples where there are no redactions yet no EML download is available

lukeigel 1 hour ago|||
Also, that says "Verified by Drop Site News", not Sponsored by. That's because Drop Site redacted these real Yahoo emails and gave them to Jmail. The original Yahoo dataset, which the DOJ and House Oversight Committee did not release, is stewarded by DDoSecrets (https://ddosecrets.org/article/epstein-emails).

This Yahoo dataset, which we helped release after launching the first Jmail, also proved Epstein's connection to Iran-Contra (!!). Now immortalized on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Financial_trou...)

3rodents 1 hour ago|||
That’s just a campaign email with “Pedophiles” as the recipient name, right? Anyone can sign an email address up to a mailing list. All of Trump’s campaign emails are these type of overly friendly weird junk.
embedding-shape 1 hour ago||
Sure, but the email itself doesn't seem to be a part of the archives of Epstein's emails (which would be an issue), it seems like it has been added manually by the admins of Jmail, as it's not coming from the files that were recently released.
3rodents 1 hour ago||
Jmail is a mix of sources.

“The Jmail Suite is an interactive archive of Jeffrey Epstein's emails, documents, photos, and more. Data compiled from the House Oversight Committee, Department of Justice, and DDoSecrets releases”

If I understand correctly, the emails you’re looking at are from a leak that is only accessible to journalists — so Drop Site News (as journalists) have access and have published some.

https://ddosecrets.org/article/epstein-emails

lukeigel 1 hour ago||
Correct. https://jmail.world/about explains it all.
venusenvy47 2 hours ago||
The Jamazon interface is really nice. I like how clicking on the order number takes you to the email. But I'm not going spend much time on there, after seeing his order for Lolita next to orders for kid toys.

https://jmail.world/jamazon

SauntSolaire 1 hour ago||
Along with the orders for kids school uniform skirts a bit later.. tough viewing in context.

Makes it unsettling when it then shows orders for books you've also read. Hard to swallow having anything in common with such a person.

I would have also assumed he got his clothes from much fancier places than Amazon, considering his wealth. Can't beat two day shipping I guess.

Altogether his Amazon orders are disturbing in places, but also somewhat humanizing, which is not what I expected.

baxtr 1 hour ago||
Interesting. The majority of items seems to be books.
SLWW 1 hour ago||
It's passing the initial sniff test; this might be the first valuable use of AI I've seen in a good minute
dvrp 1 hour ago|
We're also skeptical of how AI is being used. Let us know if you have obvious horrible mistakes so we can fix them.
embedding-shape 1 hour ago||
Interesting stuff! I'm also slowly diving into the whole Epstein thing, mainly focused on a human-curated wiki (at https://corroborators.wiki, still WIP obviously) and I've had some contributors wanting to use AI for basically filling out details automatically. But I'm using LLMs daily for programming, so I know how much they get wrong.

So about that specific thing, how do you avoid this particular problems with LLMs getting basic things wrong and basically being a lottery if the answer is correct or not? It's the reason I've avoided (and encouraged others to avoid it to) using LLMs too heavily in the process of reading, understanding and summarizing documents, but clearly you've must have figured out some trick to this?

widdershins 1 hour ago|
Ask it to cite the document and page, and verify it yourself.
tehjoker 53 minutes ago||
When LLMs first came out, my initial impulse, though I didn't pursue it, was that the summarization function was ideal for sorting through FOIA requests. So glad to see stuff like this come to fruition.
heisgone 2 hours ago||
Great! This, along with Webb, the other Epstein AI tool, are amazing effort to find documents. The way you link to files instead of just outputing an answer is amazing. Great works!
hkt 1 hour ago||
Why on earth does he have CPAP pipes, an oxygen concentrator, and a pulse oximeter? This is dated 2019 so I assume he was having sleep apnea, but in my nightmares I assume he's keeping someone in a coma.
Xss3 44 minutes ago|
Thats an incredibly unsettling thought.
varjag 35 minutes ago||
Fedorovism at home
aabhay 2 hours ago|
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