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Posted by harel 11 hours ago

Ministry of Justice orders deletion of the UK's largest court reporting database(www.legalcheek.com)
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bhouston 10 hours ago|
FYI, apparently there was a data breach, but it would seem better to fix the issue and continue with this public service than to just shut it down completely. Here is the Journalist organization in the UK responding:

"The government has cited a significant data protection breach as the reason for its decision - an issue it clearly has a duty to take seriously."

https://www.nuj.org.uk/resource/nuj-responds-to-order-for-th...

masfuerte 10 hours ago||
It wasn't a hack. The company used an external AI service.

ETA: They didn't ship data off to e.g. ChatGPT. They hired a subcontractor to build them a secure AI service.

Details in this comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47035141

leading to this:

https://endaleahy.substack.com/p/what-the-minister-said

The government is behaving disgracefully.

pjc50 10 hours ago|||
Per the Minister herself, this matter wasn't important enough to refer to the ICO, who are the correct people to deal with data breaches.
RobotToaster 9 hours ago||
I've had to deal with the ICO over some pretty minor local government stuff, the bar for reporting to them is very low. I smell a coverup.
hulitu 10 hours ago|||
> but it would seem better to fix the issue

They don't have a budget for that. And besides, it might be an externalized service, because self hosting is so 90s.

jacquesm 10 hours ago||
That's the dumbest possible response to this.
krona 10 hours ago||
Along with the attempt to prevent jury trials for all but the most serious criminal cases, this is beginning to look like an attempt to prevent reporting on an upcoming case. I can think of one happening in April, involving the prime minister. Given he was head of the CPS for 5 years, would know exactly which levers to pull.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20dyzp4r42o

rwmj 10 hours ago||
There's no world in which this case is being covered up. It's literally on the BBC News website and you have linked to it.
Ylpertnodi 5 hours ago||
The poster linkd to the story they 'could think of', not one that may be upcoming. My guess is on a nonce-case, and the royals are involved.
pjc50 10 hours ago|||
Why do you think "they" are trying to suppress reporting on a Russian-recruited Ukranian national carrying out arson attacks against properties the PM is "linked to" but does not live in? What's the supposed angle?
notahacker 9 hours ago|||
And how exactly is eliminating a third party search tool for efficiently searching lots of obscure magistrates court proceedings going to stop journalists from paying attention to a spicy court case linked to foreign agents and the PM?
krona 9 hours ago|||
5 Ukrainians. People have traced what some of them were doing professionally when the PM would've been living there. It could be nothing, but we need transparency.
pjc50 9 hours ago||
> People have traced what some of them were doing professionally when the PM would've been living there.

Traced what? Innuendo is not a substitute for information.

gadders 9 hours ago||
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alansaber 10 hours ago||
Digital access to UK court records was already abysmal. And we're somehow going even further backwards. At least in the US you have initiatives like https://www.courtlistener.com/.
dathinab 9 hours ago||
This all loops back to the same thing:

you _really_ shouldn't be allowed to train on information without having a copyright license explicitly allowing it

"publicly available" isn't the same as "anyone can do whatever they want with it", just anyone can read it/use it for research

yxhuvud 8 hours ago|
In many cases government texts are not covered by copyright, so it may not even be relevant here, regardless of it is is allowed to copy the data or not.
pmyteh 7 hours ago||
In the UK government records are generally covered by Crown Copyright (which is its own slightly more restrictive weird thing) rather than in the public domain. I haven't checked to see what the status of the court listings are, but the default is very different to the US.
jonty 6 hours ago||
Courtsdesk are rather misrepresenting this situation.

Quoting from an urgent question in the House of Lords a few days ago:

> HMCTS was working to expand and improve the service by creating a new data licence agreement with Courtsdesk and others to expand access to justice. It was in the course of making that arrangement with Courtsdesk that data protection issues came to light. What has arisen is that this private company has been sharing private, personal and legally sensitive information with a third-party AI company, including potentially the addresses and dates of birth of defendants and victims. That is a direct breach of our agreement with Courtsdesk, which the Conservatives negotiated.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2026-02-10/debates/037...

patcon 6 hours ago||
My guess is that the company running this were found to be collaborating with contentious partners, and so the government is shutting down the collaboration as risk-mitigation, in order to internalize decisions within government.

Ministry of Justice in UK has always struck me as very savvy, from my work in the UK civic tech scene. They're quite self-aware, and I assume this is more pro-social than it might seem.

harel 10 hours ago||
I've looked into the Courtdesk service. It's a stream of events from the courts, as they happen. They claim up to 12,000 updates in a 24 period, aggregated, filtered and organised. While court judgements are public, I don't know if the information Courtdesk provides is. This is a worrying direction.
nine_k 10 hours ago|
If the sources of these event data are not public, your worry would be understandable. But if not public, what are these sources then?
dathinab 9 hours ago|||
They are non-propagated/effectively hidden.

If you don't "know about them from another source" you can't effectively find/access the information and you might not even know that there is something you really should know about.

The service bridged the gap by providing a feed about what is potentially relevant for you depending on your filters etc.

This mean with the change:

- a lot of research/statistics are impossible to do/create

- journalists are prone to only learning about potentially very relevant cases happening, when it's they are already over and no one was there to cover it

harel 9 hours ago|||
I kept digging and reached the service https://www.courtserve.net. Seems like a windows application (old school one) that receives the data, but I need more time to explore there. They've been working with MoJ for 20 years (their claim). Initially I thought they have people at the courts live reporting but that's a bit of a stretch...
kevincloudsec 7 hours ago||
so the government's fix for a data breach is to delete the entire database instead of fixing the access controls. classic.
MagicMoonlight 7 hours ago||
So the government was being nice, letting a private company access court data. And the company decided to immediately sell all of that data.
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