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Posted by to3k 18 hours ago

GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple(blog.tomaszdunia.pl)
1076 points | 771 commentspage 4
HunOL 16 hours ago|
It's not breaking free from Google, but pretending it does not affect you. You are still at mercy of app developers and Google which may introduce some changes that will affect you. Additionally you never know what will work or stop working.
Tepix 15 hours ago||
If something truly unacceptable happens, you still have a while to switch to something else, in the meantime you will still have a working system.
_heimdall 16 hours ago||
That's pretty unavoidable at that level unless you are able and willing to build your own phone hardware, OS, and all the apps you need.
timbit42 7 hours ago||
They are working with a partner to create their one phone hardware.
edbaskerville 13 hours ago||
Switched to this from Apple a year and a half ago. Works for most things. Unexpectedly, replacement apps lack polish. Also, RCS works very inconsistently (been without it for months), seems to be Google's fault. There may be workarounds, but I haven't had the energy to try the more complicated suggestions.

I am probably going to switch back to a used old iPhone for "phone appliance" tasks, but keep around the Pixel for other things.

My main takeaway from the experience is that iMessage is an even bigger weapon than I thought.

microtonal 12 hours ago||
Are you in the US? I get the impression that iMessage and RCS are only big there. Almost nobody uses them here in Europe. (It's mostly WhatsApp where I live and Signal is slowly getting more popular.)

As an aside, from the latest release notes: Sandboxed Google Play compatibility layer: add toggle for granting Play services access to ICC auth in order to support RCS with carriers requiring it for RCS in Google Messages including T-Mobile (see RCS usage guide)

https://grapheneos.org/releases#2026021200

https://grapheneos.org/usage#rcs

drnick1 6 hours ago|||
> Also, RCS works very inconsistently (been without it for months), seems to be Google's fault.

The best thing would be to switch to Signal (Molly) for texting.

empyrrhicist 12 hours ago||
The RCS issue is why I switched back to iPhone, reluctantly.

If anything, iOS seems buggier and less reliable, but I know (and am related to) a lot of people who insist on using iMessage/RCS, and I can't be missing messages.

lpcvoid 17 hours ago||
Been using GOS since roughly 2020. I refuse to use a Phone without GOS on it. It's been amazing.
palata 16 hours ago|
I am really hoping that other phone manufacturers will eventually realise that and start making phones that can be supported by GOS.
strcat 7 hours ago||
GrapheneOS was contacted by one of the largest Android OEMs in June 2025 and we're actively working with them. They're going to be announcing our partnership in March 2026 and the phones meeting our requirements with official GrapheneOS support are scheduled for 2027.
palata 6 hours ago||
March? Wow that it huge! Congrats!
strcat 6 hours ago||
Yes, March 2026 is when the first announcement from the OEM will be which is when people will find out which OEM it is. A fair bit into 2027 is when the devices supporting GrapheneOS will be launched. It was theoretically possible for it to happen for 2026 but not very realistic and the hardware wasn't quite there yet.
palata 6 hours ago||
In my opinion (which is worth what it is worth), 2027 is perfectly fine (my Pixel should live a lot longer than that anyway). What I find huge is that it is concretely happening! It will show recognition for GrapheneOS, and it will be great to have an alternative to the Google Pixels.

Also, people looking at GrapheneOS want technical excellence, so better not rush it :-).

linsomniac 9 hours ago||
FYI: Google Fi + GrapheneOS doesn't work. My son recently tried setting up GrapheneOS and got everything working but couldn't get connected to Google Fi to work, even with a SIM card.
anotherevan 7 hours ago||
The biggest hold-back for me is that, here in Australia, Google Wallet (aka Google Pay) is the only way you can do tap credit card payments that I know of. Can't with Paypal. Not with any banking apps that I know of.

It's just so damned convenient. And the recording of transactions on the phone saves me having to collect paper receipts.

seanw444 7 hours ago|
If you want to fight back‚ let convenience take the back seat.
ElectronBadger 11 hours ago||
I've been using /e/OS for years. Since 2025 I'm on Pixel 9A and GOS. It's excellent. Everything I need works great. Updates are so frequent. Attention to details regarded to security is amazing. My favorite mobile OS.
1vuio0pswjnm7 7 hours ago||
"Break free from Google ..." by purchasing Google hardware and using [software "based on"] Google software

Is it really "breaking free" from a company if the method of "breaking free" requires continued cooperation from the company

This is not to suggest using a modified version of Android isn't useful. This comment is not about GrapheneOS. (But there will be HN replies that will try to redirect focus to it anyway.) This comment is about claiming it's possible to "break free" from something while still remaining inextricably tied to it

In addition to using a custom ROM, there are methods of stopping the Pixel's attempts to "phone home" to the company that work even with the version of Android pre-installed by the company intact. However if a method requires software, e.g., drivers, or is "based on" software controlled by the company, then ultimately the company holds the cards. IMHO, this is not what it means to "break free"

Perhaps the most reliable method of stopping these connections to the company is one that does not rely on cooperation by the company. This is because if the company decides to stop cooperating, the method still works

Refreeze5224 7 hours ago||
Your "perfect" is a massive enemy of the "good" that is GrapheneOS compared to using stock Android.
timbit42 7 hours ago||
They are working with a partner to create their own hardware to run GrapheneOS on.
apazzolini 11 hours ago||
I wish there were a good iPhone Mini sized phone I could install GrapheneOS on.
timbit42 7 hours ago|
They are working with a partner to provide their own hardware to run GrapheneOS on. Maybe they will have more than one model.
QuiEgo 6 hours ago||
This is the phone version of saying “the power utility is an evil awful monopoly that treats me like shit, so I’m gonna get solar and batteries and go off grid.”

It’s cool it’s possible, but it’s not practical for most people.

palantird 16 hours ago|
> "Perplexity - I switched to Gemini, but I confirm it works"

Oh the irony.

raincole 16 hours ago|
Where is it? I had a really hard time finding the irony.
rcMgD2BwE72F 13 hours ago||
If they switch mostly for privacy reason, then starting using Gemini might be counter productive as Google might learn far more about the end-user than if they just did some basic search on any other Android devices. To enable Gemini, one was to accept some crazy T&C and accept that Google collects an incredible amount of personal data.

I prefer to use intermediaries like Kagi Assistant, thanks to the strict privacy conditions of the API and the mixing of queries from thousands of users.

raincole 12 hours ago||
I mean... yes? But I really don't think there is any 'irony' here. The author clearly stated:

> It’s thanks to them that we even have the option of at least partially freeing ourselves from Google (Android) and Apple (iOS)

partially. And I do think they successfully did this. Asking Gemini questions when you really have something to ask is very different from integrating your whole digital life with Google.

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