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Posted by to3k 21 hours ago

GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple(blog.tomaszdunia.pl)
1094 points | 785 commentspage 6
wseqyrku 19 hours ago|
It's weird that here on HN some people are trying to break free from Google and Apple and on the other side some people are married to Gemini, and both look like to be the majority at times.
gargan 18 hours ago||
Break free from Google by paying money to Google for a Pixel phone? Even with a used Pixel, you're helping prop up their used market value which helps Google
timbit42 9 hours ago||
You could buy a used Pixel. Also, they are working with a partner to create their own phone hardware.
paulnpace 18 hours ago||
This statement implies ignorance to the reasons the project selected Pixel devices.
H8crilA 11 hours ago||
Does anyone have an answer to the problem of an OS for a laptop? I'm thinking about strong security here, less so about privacy (which is doable, for example via a Linux distribution).
randusername 18 hours ago||
How are the cameras on the latest devices running GrapheneOS? My last Android experience was the Oneplus One and the experience left me with the feeling that cameras are just too proprietary to work well once you go tinkering with custom ROMs and camera apps.

I'm not a photographer or anything, I just want to quickly point and shoot and get on with whatever I'm doing without thinking too hard.

strcat 11 hours ago||
GrapheneOS has the same camera features and quality as the stock Pixel OS within the same apps. You can use Pixel Camera on GrapheneOS even without sandboxed Google Play in the same profile if you want the full feature set. If you want extremely good cameras, the Pixel 10 Pro and Pixel 10 Pro XL are the best choices. Those provide the highest quality image sensors among the available supported devices and the Pro mode in Pixel Camera. See https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/ for how those compare to other devices. Our own Camera app will be heavily overhauled to narrow the gap more with the Pixel Camera app but you can already use that especially if you care a lot about this.
gf000 17 hours ago|||
You can run the proprietary Pixel camera software on GrapheneOS just fine (properly sandboxed).
ForHackernews 18 hours ago||
GrapheneOS only works on Pixel devices so it only targets a very limited set of Android camera hardware.
OldMatey 9 hours ago||
Break free from Google*. As long as you buy a Google phone. I really want to use it, but the Pixel only requirement is a deal breaker
timbit42 9 hours ago|
They are working with a partner to get their own phone hardware.

You could also buy a used Pixel.

mitanjan 14 hours ago||
Google is so much engrained in our lives that we can't really break free. You can't just don't use youtube and for that you need a google account.These projects are nice and good for tinkering, but can't use this as a dialy driver.
strcat 10 hours ago||
GrapheneOS is very usable as a daily driver. Nearly every Android app can be used on it and there's a huge ecosystem of open source Android apps. You should read the whole linked article which explains in depth how someone new to using it set up their device. They chose a certain way of doing it to balance their priorities. Only a tiny portion of apps can't be used on GrapheneOS which are mostly a subset of around 15% of banking apps which ban using a non-Google-certified OS in a way we can't easily work around. Most banking apps do work and extremely very other apps are unavailable. Google apps and services aren't used by GrapheneOS by default but can be installed as regular sandboxed apps.

You don't need a Google account to use YouTube and can use it via the browser, NewPipe or several other alternatives rather than their app.

The linked article covers someone's first experience with it with a lot of detail. They're using it as their daily driver with mainly open source apps and separate profiles with mainstream apps they still need. They're using those with much better privacy protections including having sandboxed Google Play in those profiles for using mainstream apps rather than regular highly privileged Google Play heavily integrated into the OS and not running with the standard app sandbox or privileges.

drnick1 9 hours ago|||
Like others have said, you can use Youtube without Google account. Moreover, you can give Google the middle finger by using uBlock Origin or viewing though a third party client like VacuumTube. Also don't forget the shorts filter recently featured on HN to remove those annoying portrait format videos.
aniviacat 14 hours ago|||
As someone who doesn't have a Google account, I can use YouTube just fine on my GrapheneOS phone using apps like NewPipe.
mrtesthah 14 hours ago||
Why do I need a Google account for Youtube? It seems I can watch nearly any video I want without logging in. Moreover there are anonymity proxies like Invidious.
bo1024 19 hours ago||
What is the smallest phone that Graphene will run on? I would love to switch but these massive pixel phones are a no go for me.
ysnp 11 hours ago||
From a quick look online it may be the Pixel 8 https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_8-12546.php at 150.5 x 70.8 x 8.9 mm based on recommended devices.
Aachen 13 hours ago||
Maybe an old Pixel with an old version of GrapheneOS, but at that point you're losing most of the security benefits and, depending on your goals, you may be better served with a small phone running a different OS
kevin_thibedeau 19 hours ago||
> Break free from Google and Apple

Step 1: Buy a Google phone

timbit42 9 hours ago|
They are working with a partner to get their own phone hardware.
notorandit 13 hours ago||
GrapheneOS needs at least the modem blob provided by the OEM. It runs as root, it has full network control. Same could go for other "drivers" like wifi+bluetooth.

Privacy is more a dream than a real thing.

strcat 10 hours ago||
No, that's a misconception. GrapheneOS has only ever supported devices where the cellular radio is isolated from the OS and unprivileged. It does not have access to memory it hasn't been permitted to access by GrapheneOS. Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, UWB, etc. are isolated components too. Our hardware requirements are listed in our FAQ and require proper isolation for radios:

https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

8th, 9th and 10th gen Pixels provide our full set of requirements with 7 years of support from launch. 6th and 7th gen Pixels are missing the ARMv9 security features including the extremely important hardware memory tagging (MTE) feature we heavily use to protect against exploitation. Even the first devices we supported back in 2014 including the Nexus 5 had isolation for the cellular radio but similar isolation for Wi-Fi/Bluetooth started with the Nexus 5X.

timbit42 11 hours ago||
They are working on getting their own hardware.
johnnyballgame 17 hours ago|
Some privacy settings for GrapheneOS:

https://inteltechniques.com/blog/2026/01/05/grapheneos-2026-...

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