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Posted by to3k 1 day ago

GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple(blog.tomaszdunia.pl)
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hereme888 19 hours ago|
Citibank app does not work in GrapheneOS
bohdokas 1 day ago||
Hah, just talked with my colleague, his feedback is that it’s too raw to be used daily
rationalist 23 hours ago||
You might want to reconsider trusting your colleague's technical opinions.
Aachen 17 hours ago||
If you're tech-literate enough to find the bootloader unlock, I find that a strange statement. Could $colleague be anymore specific?
trvhar 23 hours ago||
Breaking free from Google by using a Google phone with a Google designed processor
timbit42 14 hours ago|
They are working with a partner to get their own phone hardware, hopefully by next year.
StilesCrisis 23 hours ago||
I can't take this seriously when their mission statement is to "break free from Google and Apple" and their entire output is a fork of a Google repo.

If you're based on AOSP, the project is still 100% reliant on Google!

It seems extremely cynical to me to depend on the work of a thousand-man team to build your OS, then patch out a couple of lines and claim you've broken free from them. Without Google, none of this project could exist.

niam 23 hours ago||
You'd be pleased to hear, then, that "break free from Google and Apple" is not Graphene's mission statement, because this is a blog.
saroi235409 11 hours ago||
i don't understand your issue - using grapheneos does allow you to break free from google in the sense that you have an android OS that works well, is secure and private, and gives you the choice to use google or not. if you choose to use play store/services, they run as sandboxed, unprivileged applications like every other app. on samsung/stock pixels etc, play services is a privileged component of the os and you can't avoid this. grapheneos gives you the freedom to break free from it in this sense.

soon enough grapheneos will be available on non-pixel devices, but if you really have, say, a philosophical problem with using google devices, get a used 2nd hand pixel. or wait til the oem partnership announcement.

SoKamil 21 hours ago||
Am I the only one who finds monospace font barely readable for articles? Good for code, bad for longer forms of text.
Aachen 17 hours ago|
No, I also click away articles in that font style if it's not exceptionally interesting or relevant to me

In this case, reader mode fixes it (your browser probably has a button built in)

SoKamil 3 hours ago||
I always forget about it, thanks for the tip.
axegon_ 1 day ago||
For some (and other not-so) obvious reasons I switched to Graphene a few weeks ago. For years I've been pushing towards de-cloudifying my digital life and there were several reasons for it: On one hand it was the constant content subscription which gave me 0 guarantees that what I am interested in will still be available the next morning, even though I've paid for it, and the other was, you guessed it, the idiotic LLMs everywhere and subsequently the complete annihilation of security practices by giving a probabilistic model unrestricted access to all of your data.

First things, first, kudos to the GrapheneOS team for making it this easy to install and the surprisingly rapid support for new devices. Sure, there are features which I otherwise liked in the stock android that came with Pixel phones(swipe typing is something I very much enjoyed) but all in all, I can't say I miss much from it otherwise. I've slimmed down my list of apps to basic functionalities backed by self-hosted services (nextcloud, immich, jellifin, etc. along with a VPN I maintain myself) and I honestly don't miss much from the stock Android.

I want to point out that for a very long time I worked for a company that developed games for mobile devices and while the data we collected was mostly anonymous(*unless you logged in with facebook and by implications we had your facebook id) and it was never even utilized all that much beyond bad attempts at maximizing sales(not effectively anyway cause the people in charge were as incompetent as they could get), I can say that we collected ungodly amounts of data: most of the cloud bills were storage for that specific reason. While we did not have bad intentions and had to operate under strict GDPR regulations, this was a large company that was constantly monitored. Small companies can fly under the radar and get away with not abiding by the rules and laws and commonly they are not even aware what the repercussions could be. Similarly, the US and Asia-based giants can simply shrug it off and toss a few billions in fines. Make no mistake, no company is looking for your best interest and with that in mind, I couldn't recommend GrapheneOS (and self-hosting everything) enough, assuming you know what you are doing.

strcat 15 hours ago||
You can use a different keyboard than the default AOSP keyboard with more modern features including but not limited to swipe typing. We plan to replace AOSP keyboard with a fork of a more modern app but there isn't yet one meeting the functionality requirements which is under a license we can use. FlorisBoard is what we have plans to eventually use, although it might not be what we end up using.
8K832d7tNmiQ 1 day ago||
Check out FUTO Keyboard, It has swipe-typing feature.
linux_modder 12 hours ago||
FUTO has many issues, beyond licensing like it's lack of privacy features.
OptionX 22 hours ago||
"Break free from Google"

All supported devices are exclusively Pixels.

timbit42 14 hours ago|
They are working with a partner to get their own phone hardware, hopefully by next year.
cbeach 20 hours ago||
The article is a wall of text with not a single screenshot.

And I couldn't easily find a link to a page that summarised GrapheneOS with some images so I could see how polished it looked.

This is one of the reasons why OSS fails to gain mainstream appeal (as much as I want it to)

strcat 15 hours ago|
GrapheneOS is based on the latest release of the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) which is Android 16 QPR2. It looks nearly the same as the stock Pixel OS also based on the same AOSP release. The main UI differences are user-facing portions of the many privacy and security features added by GrapheneOS. There are minor differences such as the stock Pixel OS having a few different fonts than AOSP. The main thing to show would be the UI for features such as Contact Scopes, Storage Scopes, per-app exploit protection controls, etc. It looks like the stock Pixel OS without the Google app/service integration not present in AOSP with added privacy and security controls.

There are many useful videos about GrapheneOS here:

https://www.youtube.com/@sideofburritos/videos

Any of the videos older than December 2025 will be prior to Android 16 QPR2 so the overall UI will be outdated. That's part of why we don't focus on screenshots or videos because many would need to get updated every 4 months. We'd mainly be using them for our own features which often improve more frequently than that.

shadowgovt 21 hours ago||
After reading this blog post, going to grapheneos's site, and browsing a half-dozen or so pages that I thought might show me what it looked like... I cannot find a single image of it.

GrapheneOS team, I'm begging you... Hire or recruit one person with advertising or copy-for-public-consumption experience. Just one.

Aachen 17 hours ago|
Answered 2h ago before your comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47047720

Saving a click, it looks like any bare Android without vendor customisations. You just get extra settings like turning off network per app

I don't disagree that some screenshots might be good marketing

nisten 21 hours ago|
I switch from iPhone to a pixel 9 fold, and installed graphene after 2 weeks on stock android.

Look, it's better than stock android overall, UI much more simplified even though it gives you a lot more security control, battery feels slightly longer, but there are drawbacks, i.e. twitter/x wouldn't install, neither would my bank's app. However from time to time I go to use iOS on the iphone and it just feels like better software, with better ergonomics overall, the combination of the xnu kernel plus the design and feel of the..buttons.. on iOS is still years ahead in my opinion. So keep that in mind if you're switching away from apple to it, as android still feels like decade plus old software.

Now for the upsides.. there's a built in terminal and debian vm you can install and run your agentic AI tools (claude code,opencode etc) in a portable sandboxed environment which you just don't get onios. You can even fire up a graphical xfce session albeit that takes quite a bit of work to get it to go.

As for the tablet form factor of the phone itself when unfolded, i found it amazing the first few weeks and then later found myself rarely using it.

Overall I'm going to stick with itand will never go back to stock android, but am quite annoyed at how much better it could actually be.

strcat 15 hours ago||
You can bypass Play Store restrictions on app installs by using Aurora Store. There's a high chance your banking app can be used but it may require toggling the per-app exploit protection compatibility mode. Most banking apps work on GrapheneOS. X is one of extremely few apps disallowing using a non-Google-certified OS but it only partially disallows it in their store listing which can be worked around and for regular password login. Login is still possible to X via a passkey or Google login. X should stop doing that but they're quite understaffed and did this as a misguided anti-spam measure.
linux_modder 12 hours ago||
Aurora store is a horrible placeabo. Not only is it using other folks anonymized accounts, which violates several privacy laws internationally it also still has the Google libraries in their apks like everything else. You are not gaining any privacy or security using Aurora Store or F Droid for that matter but are indeed opening up more attack surface in the supply chain that ends at your device.
JCattheATM 13 hours ago|||
> So keep that in mind if you're switching away from apple to it, as android still feels like decade plus old software.

I think this might just be what you're used to. Android doesn't feel old to me at all, conversely iOS always felt aged even when it was new with the lack of basic features it had for a long time.

saroi235409 11 hours ago||
ios ui is sleek but in terms of security and privacy, it doesn't hold up to grapheneos. i used ios for 10 years before switching over and quite honestly, grapheneos on my p8 runs really smoothly.

for apps that demand invasive permissions i don't wish to grant, i use web pwas, like for banking. they work like a charm.

being able to grant or revoke permissions that are of paramount importance for security like MTE, JIT, DCL etc on a granular level for each and every user-installed app, and to grant/revoke network permission alone is such a huge W using GOS.

u will not find this in any iphone, now or in the future (i would bet).

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