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Posted by Bender 11 hours ago

Tesla 'Robotaxi' adds 5 more crashes in Austin in a month – 4x worse than humans(electrek.co)
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b8 10 hours ago|
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AlotOfReading 10 hours ago|
It's amazing how well Waymo functions as a shibboleth for people who don't understand how these systems work. Waymo's remote assistants provide high level guidance, they're not part of the control loop.

Supposedly neither are Tesla's remote assistants, though there are open questions about why they've posted job descriptions about building a teleop system for their vehicles [0] and why their remote assistant setups have steering wheels if that's completely true.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20241211115851/https://www.tesla...

arein3 10 hours ago||
A minor fender-bender is not a crash

4x worse than humans is misleading, I bet it's better than humans, by a good margin.

SoftTalker 9 hours ago|
I agree, and not in defense of Tesla but a 1mph collision while backing is something most human drivers are not going to report anywhere. That's why most cars have little scrapes and scratches on the bumpers and doors. Tesla should be more forthcoming with the full narrative of these incidents though.
small_model 10 hours ago||
The source is a well known anti Tesla, anti Musk site, the owner has a psychotic hatred from Tesla and Elon after being a balanced click bait site for years. Ignore.
MBCook 10 hours ago||
The source is legally mandated reporting to the government.

Elecktek is just summarizing/commenting.

ralfd 7 hours ago||
Electrec is not neutral commenting, it always giving any data an anti-Tesla spin.
MBCook 7 hours ago||
I didn’t say they were. They do have a bias. I have the same one.

My comment was aimed at the implication that the data might be untrustworthy because they were the ones reporting it.

So I pointed out it wasn’t their data.

As for “spin“ Elon has been telling us for a long time that FSD is safer than humans and will save lives. We appear to have objective data that counters that narrative.

That seems worth reporting on to me.

small_model 7 hours ago||
Who said the data was untrustworthy, the source of the article is presenting the data in a highly negative light, which it does in 99% of its articles, so it's a worthless website for reporting data of this sort.

It's basically a few light bumps going at snails pace and probably caused by other cars. The articles headline reads as if it mowed down a group of school children.

mmooss 23 minutes ago||
Every criticism is accompanied by comments attacking the messenger. Is there evidence of Elektrek's supposed bias?
BirAdam 9 hours ago||
At this point, I am really sick of both Elon supporters and Elon haters, coverage of Elon's companies either good or bad (as it's always incredibly biased in either direction), and sick of both the current trend of hyper optimism and hyper doomerism.

I know that it is irrational to expect any kind of balance or any kind of objective analysis, but things are so polarized that I often feel the world is going insane.

ncallaway 8 hours ago||
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tastyface 8 hours ago||
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ArchieScrivener 9 hours ago|
Good, who cares. Autonomous driving is an absolute waste of time. We need autodrone transport for civilian traffic. The skies have been waiting.

In before, 'but it is a regulation nightmare...'

tgrowazay 9 hours ago|
It is safety, regulatory and noise nightmare.
ArchieScrivener 4 hours ago||
As opposed to what, nuclear energy, airplane traffic, people directing 2 ton vehicles?

Get over your bs.