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Posted by spzb 3 days ago

How far back in time can you understand English?(www.deadlanguagesociety.com)
508 points | 273 commentspage 7
mmooss 16 hours ago|
I'd love to see actual, authentic material that was rewritten through the years. One possibility is a passage from the Bible, though that's not usual English. Another is laws or other official texts - even if not exactly the same, they may be comparable. Maybe personal letters written from or to the same place about the same topic - e.g., from or to the Church of England and its predecessor about burial, marriage, or baptism.

The author Colin Gorrie, "PhD linguist and ancient language teacher", obviously knows their stuff. From my experience, much more limited and less informed, the older material looks like a modern writer mixing in some archaic letters and expression - it doesn't look like the old stuff and isn't nearly as challenging, to me.

dhosek 16 hours ago|
Some early English translations of the Bible were unintentionally comical, e.g., “and Enoch walked with God and he was a lucky fellowe.”

Of course that’s not limited to the 16th century. The Good News Bible renders what is most commonly given as “our name is Legion for we are many” instead as “our name is Mob because there are a lot of us.” In my mind I hear the former spoken in that sort of stereotypical demon voice: deep with chorus effect, the latter spoken like Alvin and the Chipmunks.

BoredomIsFun 17 hours ago||
I am an ESL, but I can easily comprehend 1600. 1500 with serious effort.
Dwedit 17 hours ago|
At 1400, they add in the thorn "þ". If you don't know that's supposed to be "th", you'll get stuck there.
BoredomIsFun 16 hours ago||
No, not that. The endings are different, the verbs are substantially different. AFAIK invention of printing had generally stabilizing effect on English.

It is not that I am incapable to understand old English, it is that 1600 is dramatically closer to modern than 1400 one; I think someone from 1600 would be able to converse at 2026 UK farmers market with little problems too; someone from 1400 would be far more challenged.

dhosek 16 hours ago|||
Not to mention that there are pockets of English speakers in Great Britain whose everyday speech isn’t very far from 17th century English. The hypothetical time traveler might be asked, “So you’re from Yorkshire then, are you?”
adrian_b 16 hours ago|||
The invention of printing had a stabilizing effect on all languages, at least of their written form, because for some languages, especially for English, the pronunciation has diverged later from the written form, but the latter was not changed to follow the pronunciation.

I have read many printed books from the range 1450 to 1900, in several European languages. In all of them the languages are much easier to understand than those of the earlier manuscripts.

ghaff 15 hours ago||
It's probably roughly Elizabethan English (1600s).
Arubis 12 hours ago||
Without even checking the article, presumably around 1067. Pre-Norman English was a VERY different language.
drdeadringer 12 hours ago||
In AA, they are coming out with a new addition of the Big book, using modern language, because apparently people are having a difficult time understanding language used in the 1940s.

For example, Bill W speaks about being trapped or surrounded by quicksand. Apparently, nobody today understands quicksand. So they remove the word quicksand.

I'm 44, and this makes me feel like an old man yelling at clouds.

aswanson 9 hours ago||
I dunno. I just learned what 'mogged' means 2 days ago. So probably not far.
darkhorn 9 hours ago||
1700s English is like 1200s Turkish. It looks like English has evolved very much. 1500s English is kind of underdtandable for me but 1400s English is not underdtandable.
7bit 10 hours ago||
> firſt

It's weird when an "s" that's written in cursive is translated like that.

Is this about recognizing letters. Then show original scans.

Or is this about understanding the spoken word. Then write "first".

Don't do both and fail at everything.

KPGv2 10 hours ago||
1200 is where I can't anymore. This was interesting. I expected it to be about there. I'm a highly educated native speaker (i.e., well above median vocabulary) with some French and a lot of German, plus understanding of orthographic changes.

I'm expecting that's true of a lot of people who meet my description, and my guess is university graduates not in STEM can read 1300 without issue (same as me), and certainly every native speaker with a college degree can read 1400. (Edit: FWIW I'm thinking here of how I can read Chaucer, and how I couldn't in 9th grade when I was introduced to him)

1200 I had to focus insanely hard and make guesses and circle back once I'd gotten more context to the words I couldn't read.

FergusArgyll 12 hours ago|
> of whom I hadde herd so muchel and knewe so litel.

We need to bring muchel back

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