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Posted by SteveHawk27 10 hours ago

Paged Out Issue #8 [pdf](pagedout.institute)
274 points | 46 comments
lioeters 9 hours ago|
Yes! Just started reading the table of contents, and already I'm feeling that joy of old-school creative computing. Revival of the culture of personal computers and programming as a technology of liberation. A better future is possible and the power is in our hands.
giahug 8 hours ago|
yes!
maremmano 6 hours ago||
I like this magazine vibe, it reminds me of the good ol' l33t zines from the late '80s and '90s. However, if I can offer a suggestion, I'd also pair the technical articles with a little more punky, down-to-earth stuff. They were cheerful, informal, and full of that cheeky, irreverent, cocky smart-ass humor, plus this mysterious edge that made them absolutely magnetic to me. Life just wasn’t so heavy back then.
gynvael 6 hours ago||
Thanks for the suggestion! I wouldn't mind having such articles in PO! tbh - let me think what can we do about it (or rather: let me pass this to the rest of the team so they think about it too).
pixelpoet 6 hours ago|||
like Mondo 2000 :)
cyberge99 1 hour ago|||
I still have my Mondo 2000 zine. It was literally a futurist guidebook for cyberpunk of today. Better living through chemistry, memes, cybernetics were all predicted by Mondo.
big_toast 5 hours ago||||
Wow cool. I have not heard of Mondo 2000 reading hn for almost 20 years. And did not realize Boing Boing was so old. Makes me wonder what else existed.

My family had a bunch of "Dr. Dobb’s Journal of Computer Calisthenics & Orthodontia"[0] and similar things (BYTE, COMPUTE!). (Which seem slightly dryer, but maybe more like Paged Out.)

[0]:https://archive.org/details/dr_dobbs_journal_vol_01/mode/2up

gynvael 6 hours ago|||
TIL :D
yomismoaqui 5 hours ago||
Sadly I don't know if that kind of 80s/90s irreverence would go well with today's sensitivities.
skeeter2020 4 hours ago|||
that's the point! we got so concerned with creating a safe space for everyone that can't possible offend we lost site of the community building intent. The crux is to have people self-select without offending them, but IMO it's not a binary goal.
amelius 9 hours ago||
> Query based compilers are all the rage: Rust, Swift, Kotlin, Haskell, and Clang all structure their compilers as queries.

I've never heard of this. It's a pity the article doesn't go into details.

thunderseethe 8 hours ago||
It is a double edged sword of the single page layout that you really have to make one point briefly and get out of there. I had to pare down many details to fit the layout.

If you want to learn more about query based compilers as a concept, I highly recommend ollef's aritcle: https://ollef.github.io/blog/posts/query-based-compilers.htm...

If you want to learn how to implement a query based compiler, I have a tutorial on that here: https://thunderseethe.dev/posts/lsp-base/ (which I also highly recommend but that might be more obvious since I wrote it)

neandrake 4 hours ago|||
Finding this one-page was great! It gave me a new term I didn't have before that leads to all sorts of new materials to go rifling through.
femiagbabiaka 9 hours ago||
Old discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23644391
vunderba 6 hours ago||
Awesome! Was looking forward to the next issue. Paged Out reminds me a lot of the old-school 2600 Hacker Quarterly periodical back in the 80s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600:_The_Hacker_Quarterly

thinkmassive 3 hours ago|
2600 is still being published!

https://www.2600.com/Magazine/DigitalEditions

brunoqc 1 hour ago||
Has the quality declined over the years?

I get the 2600 zine at a local book store and I like it but there's a lot of articles that I don't really care about.

It might be a good thing though.

throawayonthe 3 hours ago||
[re: page 40 NTP-over-HTTP] ooh i've heard of this! it's being used in real life by Whonix (sdwdate) and Tails (tails-htp/htpdate)

https://www.kicksecure.com/wiki/Sdwdate https://tails.net/contribute/design/Time_syncing/

roer 4 hours ago||
I have the printed versions of issue #6 and #7, I highly recommend them!

https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/pagedout

jhbadger 9 hours ago||
I love Paged Out -- it's basically the only modern equivalent to 1980s BYTE or Dr. Dobbs Journal today.
Schlagbohrer 7 hours ago|
There's also Proof Of Concept Or GTFO edited by Pastor Manuel LaPhroaig https://github.com/angea/pocorgtfo
bayindirh 7 hours ago||
Boy, PoC||GTFO is my favorite "magazine".

No, not giving spoilers except there might be some polyglot files.

progbits 50 minutes ago||
I can highly recommend buying these printed in the "bible style" binding with finger cutouts, ribbon bookmark and everything.

https://nostarch.com/gtfo3

mrled 9 hours ago||
They've got a new web viewer in this issue that can be used to link to individual articles and might be nicer than reading a PDF on some screens: https://pagedout.institute/webview.php?issue=8&page=1
e12e 2 hours ago||
Still would like a straight html version for reading on a phone. One with resizable text and proper reflow.
jstrieb 7 hours ago||
The article I submitted has an HTML tag in the title, and seems to have broken the web viewer :(

Note that you can link to pages in a PDF with a hash like #page=64 (for example) in the URL.

https://pagedout.institute/download/PagedOut_008.pdf#page=64

gynvael 6 hours ago||
Whoops. Looking into it.

EDIT: Fixed. It wasn't the tags - it was a trailing space we had in the "database". I honestly though I've handled that case, but apparently not .

jstrieb 6 hours ago||
Thanks! I also told Aga via email in the thread where I submitted my article.

Worth noting that the HTML tag in the title was stripped from the PDF table of contents as well, so the title for that article in the contents is missing a word. No big deal, but good to know for future submissions!

gynvael 6 hours ago||
This goes to the "fix me" list. We're planning a rebuild in the next few days anyway, so it should get fixed then.
hnthrowaway0315 8 hours ago||
Thank you. I love the wallpapers of Paged Out and always set it as my default wallpaper on MacOS.
keeganpoppen 4 hours ago|
this is absolutely magnificent, and exactly the kind of thing i wish there were more of in the world.
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