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Posted by ramimac 9 hours ago

Child's Play: Tech's new generation and the end of thinking(harpers.org)
298 points | 195 commentspage 2
keiferski 7 hours ago|
The strangest thing about all of this to me is how contemporary SF seems to have absorbed basically none of the city's previous culture. You can detect the commercial, artistic, cultural histories of NYC in the various industries there, from media to finance. Ditto for LA, or London, or Paris.

In SF though, it’s as if the previous culture of the place has just been overwritten entirely. Hard to believe that it’s the same city which Kerouac, the Beats or Hippies ran around in. Or even the historically wealthy but cultural old money class, like Lewis Lapham’s family, or Michael Douglas’s character in The Game. Nope, all gone, and certainly no one there has ever read On the Road.

I suppose you could probably just blame this on how the people at the top behave: totally uninterested in funding culture, unlike the billionaires of yesteryear that built concert halls and libraries. And so a city which is hyper focused on one economic activity has no space for anything else.

chickensong 5 hours ago||
SF is quite small compared to the other cities you mentioned, both in land and population density, and is quite a young city in comparison. The beats and hippies were a flash in the pan. They left a mark, but many dispersed rather quickly, and the rest have been ironed out for many decades.
keiferski 5 hours ago||
The exact same thing is true of smaller cities like Pittsburgh, as well. The point is that their cultural histories still manage to exist today, even at some level, whereas tech has turned SF into a historical culture-free zone, entirely detached from what SF was even 25 years ago.
chickensong 4 hours ago||
I can't say I know much about Pittsburgh's culture, but I wonder how it would have held up over decades of insane money being pumped in and wild rent increases? SF has changed a lot over time, but it has a boom town history of being invaded by hustlers looking for money, so I guess that's something. Gay pride has persisted in SF as well, strong pockets of Asian culture, a saucy underground, etc... Tech has definitely left a mark, maybe not physical libraries and concert halls, but Long Now and the Internet Archive are doing good work to preserve culture.
dansitu 4 hours ago|||
There's a famous paper called The Californian Ideology (1996) that shows how all these seemingly incompatible elements of the Bay Area's past created the culture at the time of the dot com boom:

https://monoskop.org/images/d/dc/Barbrook_Richard_Cameron_An...

Today's Bay Area has a direct lineage to all of that. Blank Space by W. David Marx does a great job of explaining how the post-2000 parts happened.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DXMVK94H

It's all part of the same long, strange trip.

benlivengood 5 hours ago|||
Hey, I had to read On The Road once for college, and I am currently sitting in SF.

To be fair to Jack Kerouac, I was young when I read it but even at my advanced age I don't think I want to reread it.

Also, the old hippie culture sort of moved out of SF and into the surrounding bay, I think especially toward East Bay.

mkehrt 2 hours ago||
I don't think that's true at all. There's plenty of weird post hippies around, including Burning Man culture and the libertarian roots of a lot of the tech world.

But if you're immersed in the modern tech world, you're just ignoring all that.

maxwell 6 hours ago||
> "We're big believers in protein," Roy said. "It's impossible to get fat at Cluely. Nothing here has any fat."

Clueless.

pibaker 6 hours ago||
I hope they have fiber or, failing that, miralax.
littlexsparkee 6 hours ago|||
The brain needs fat to function - that explains a lot
maxwell 6 hours ago||
Sounds like they're sitting around eating rabbits wondering why they're starving, or just fill up on sugar when no one's looking.

Fat was demonized to push sugar. "Protein" was then pushed because you can just load up stuff like "protein bars" with sugar.

butterbomb 6 hours ago||
These people will be your new lords lmao
maxwell 6 hours ago||
Please, they're ngmi with no fat. The unhealthy frat boy office sounds like a throwback to the early '10s. What woman would work there? They seem poised to crash and burn out.

Historical aristocracy were defined by eating meat, while their subjects ate grain. "Beef" for the Normans, "cows" raised and slaughtered by the Anglo-Saxons.

melody_calling 5 hours ago||
They have a table full of Labubus though. Women love those.
temp8830 7 hours ago||
This was good. The author found a way to say what we are all thinking - and isn't getting canceled for it. That's true talent.
lordleft 8 hours ago||
I read Sam Kriss' substack and he's a wildly unique and talented writer.
bogrollben 8 hours ago|
agreed - I was shocked how quickly I became immersed reading this relatively simple story.
cleandreams 8 hours ago||
To be fair SF has had incomprehensible (to normies) billboards since at least the early 90's.
pnt12 5 hours ago||
The quote "this...is...necessary" reminded me about this song. Wonder if the person who as singing it:

https://youtu.be/CmJYZ1NIn1Y?t=150

chickensong 5 hours ago|
I immediately heard this as well. Great song, great album!
FeteCommuniste 4 hours ago||
Nice, there are three of us whose minds immediately went to Disgustipated.
141205 6 hours ago||
Great article. I recently went through Crying of Lot 49 by Pynchon; the sequence of eccentric personalities in this article reminded me of a similar section that Pynchon has in the bay area. Unfortunately the personages interviewed here are not only real but climb beyond any fictional parody.
advisedwang 6 hours ago||
> Not long before I arrived in the Bay Area, I’d been involved in a minor but intense dispute with the rationalist community over a piece of fiction I’d written that I’d failed to properly label as fiction

Anyone familiar with what work this is referring to?

_dwt 5 hours ago||
This one IIRC: https://samkriss.substack.com/p/the-law-that-can-be-named-is... He writes about it here, a little: https://samkriss.substack.com/p/against-truth

In general long meandering semi-factual pieces like this, with odd historical excursions, are one of his things and I don't know anyone else that does it quite the same. (Hmm... oddly enough Scott Alexander, who he cites here, also does some similarly Borgesian stuff, but with a different bent.) One of my favorite writers and I recommend pretty much everything he's done since the early 2010s.

eigencoder 4 hours ago|||
I think it's this one: https://samkriss.substack.com/p/the-law-that-can-be-named-is...

But in general, Sam Kriss tends to weave fiction and nonfiction together in his writing.

ianmcgowan 5 hours ago|||
Probably the burning man essay, which is one of the best things I've ever read online.

https://open.substack.com/pub/samkriss/p/numb-at-burning-man

devinplatt 5 hours ago||
Sounds self-referencial
xg15 7 hours ago||
I had always thought that Kai Lentit's characters were at least somewhat exaggerated and not a 1:1 copy of the real thing...
MarceliusK 5 hours ago|
I'm skeptical that this fully replaces thinking, though. It may replace certain forms of effort, but historically every increase in leverage just shifts where the bottleneck is
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