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Posted by ajuhasz 10 hours ago

Every company building your AI assistant is now an ad company(juno-labs.com)
108 points | 51 commentspage 2
FeteCommuniste 7 hours ago|
The level of trust I have in a promise made by any existing AI company that such a device would never phone home: 0.
NickJLange 6 hours ago||
This isn't a technology issue. Regulation is the only sane way to address the issue.

For once,we (as the technologists) have a free translator to laymen speak via the frontier LLMs, which can be an opportunity to educate the masses as to the exact world on the horizon.

Nevermark 4 hours ago|
> This isn't a technology issue. Regulation is the only sane way to address the issue.

It is actually both a technology and regulation/law issue.

What can be solved with the former should be. What is left, solved with the latter. With the best cases where both consistently/redundantly uphold our rights.

I want legal privacy protections, consistent with privacy preserving technology. Inconsistencies create technical and legal openings for nefarious or irresponsible powers.

rimbo789 7 hours ago||
Ads in AI should be banned right now. We need to learn from mistakes of the internet (crypto, facebook) and aggressively regulate early and often before this gets too institutionalized to remove.
nancyminusone 6 hours ago||
They did learn. That's why they are adding ads.
doomslayer999 6 hours ago|||
Boomers in government would be clueless on how to properly regulate and create correct incentives. Hell, that is still a bold ask for tech and economist geniuses with the best of intentions.
irishcoffee 6 hours ago||
Would that be the same cohort of boomers jamming LLMs up our collective asses? So they don’t understand how to regulate a technology they don’t understand, but fucking by golly you’re going to be left behind if you don’t use it?

This is like a shitty Disney movie.

doomslayer999 6 hours ago||
It's mostly SV grifters who shoved LLMs up our asses. They then get in cahoots with boomers in the government to create policies and "investment schemes" that inflate their stock in a ponzi-like fashion and regulate competition. Why do you think Trump has some no-name crypto firm, or why Thiel has Vance as his whipping boy, and Elon spend a fortune trying to get Trump to win? This is a multiparty thing, as most politicians are heavily bought and paid for.
kalterdev 7 hours ago||
Ads (at least in the classical pre-AI sense) are by orders of magnitude better than preventive laws
rimbo789 4 hours ago||
I trust corporations far far far less than government or lawmakers (who I also don’t trust). I know corporations will use ads in the most manipulative and destructive manner. Laws may be flawed but are worth the risk.
doomslayer999 6 hours ago||
Who would buy OpenAI's spy device? I think a lot of public discourse and backlash about the greedy, anticompetitive, and exploitative practices of the silicon valley elite have gone mainstream and will hopefully course correct the industry in time.
notatoad 2 hours ago||
i'm continually surprised by how many people will buy and wear meta's AI spy sunglasses.

if there's a market for a face camera that sends everything you see to meta, there's probably a market for whatever device openAI launches.

janice1999 4 hours ago||
> ...exploitative practices of the silicon valley elite have gone mainstream and will hopefully course correct the industry in time.

I have little hope that is true. Don't expect privacy laws and boycott campaigns. That very same elite control the law via bribes to US politicians (and indirectly the laws of other counties via those politicians threats, see the ongoing watering down of EU laws). They also directly control public discourse via ownership of the media and mainstream communication platforms. What backlash can they really suffer?

kleiba 7 hours ago||
Always on is incompatible with data protection rights, such as the GDPR in Europe.
ajuhasz 6 hours ago|
With cloud based inference we agree, this being just one more benefit of doing everything with "edge" inference (on device inside the home) as we do with Juno.
popalchemist 4 hours ago||
Pretty sure a) it's not a matter of whether you agree and b) GDPR still considers always-on listening to be something the affected user has to actively consent to. Since someone in a household may not realize that another person's device is "always on" and may even lack the ability to consent - such as a child - you are probably going to find that it is patently illegal according to both the letter and the spirit of the law.

Is your argument that these affected parties are not users and that the GDPR does not require their consent?

Don't take this as hostility. I am 100% for local inference. But that is the way I understand the law, and I do think it benefits us to hold companies to a high standard. Because even such a device could theoretically be used against a person, or could have other unintended consequences.

zmmmmm 6 hours ago|
It's interesting to me that there seems to be an implicit line being drawn around what's acceptable and what's not between video and audio.

If there's a camera in an AI device (like Meta Ray Ban glasses) then there's a light when it's on, and they are going out of their way to engineer it to be tamper resistant.

But audio - this seems to be on the other side of the line. Passively listening ambient audio is being treated as something that doesn't need active consent, flashing lights or other privacy preserving measures. And it's true, it's fundamentally different, because I have to make a proactive choice to speak, but I can't avoid being visible. So you can construct a logical argument for it.

I'm curious how this will really go down as these become pervasively available. Microphones are pretty easy to embed almost invisibly into wearables. A lot of them already have them. They don't use a lot of power, it won't be too hard to just have them always on. If we settle on this as the line, what's it going to mean that everything you say, everywhere will be presumed recorded? Is that OK?

BoxFour 5 hours ago|
> Passively listening ambient audio is being treated as something that doesn't need active consent

That’s not accurate. There are plenty of states that require everyone involved to consent to a recording of a private conversation. California, for example.

Voice assistants today skirt around that because of the wake word, but always-on recording obviously negates that defense.

paxys 5 hours ago||
AI "recording" software has never been tested in court, so no one can say what the legality is. If we are having a conversation (in a two party consent state) and a secret AI in my pocket generates a text transcript of it in real time without storing the audio, is that illegal? What about if it just generates a summary? What about if it is just a list of TODOs that came out of the conversation?
pclmulqdq 3 hours ago||
Speech-to-text has gone through courts before. It's not a new technology. You're out of luck on sneaking the use of speech-to-text in 2-party consent states.
1over137 2 hours ago||
Of course it's new! Now it's "AI"! /s