simonw> It even comes with an established emoji [lobster emoji]

Good thing they didn't call it OpenSeahorse!

Excited to see and work with things in new ways.

It's interesting how the announcement of someone understanding and summarizing it is seen as more blessing it into the canon of LLMS, whereas sometimes people might have been doing things for a long time quietly (lots of text files with claude).

I'm not sure how long claws will last, a lot was said about MCPs in their initial form too, except they were just gaping security holes too often as well.

Why are people buying Mac Minis for this? I understand Mac Studios if you’re self hosting the models. But otherwise why not buy any cheap mini PC?

What I don’t get: If it’s just a workflow engine why even use LLM for anything but a natural language interface to workflows? In other words, if I can setup a Zapier/n8n workflow with natural language, why would I want to use OpenClaw?

Nondeterministic execution doesn’t sound great for stringing together tool calls.

I find it dubious that a technical person claims to "just bought a new Mac mini to properly tinker with claws over the weekend". Like can they not just play with it on an old laptop lying around? A virtual machine? Or why did they not buy a Pi instead? Openclaw works with linux so not sure how this whole Mac mini cliche even started, obviously an overkill for something that only relays api calls.

Anyone using claws for something meaningful in a startup environment? I want to try but not sure what we can do with this.

Looking forward to seeing what we get next Christmas season, with the Claws / Clause double entendres.

What is anyone really doing with openclaw? I tried to stick to it but just can't understand the utility beyond just linking AI chat to whatsapp. Almost nothing, not even simple things like setting reminders, worked reliably for me.

It tries to understand its own settings but fails terribly.

xcancel? why not direct link to X, it's an awesome platform

Ah yes, let's create an autonomic actor out of a nondeterministic system which can literally be hacked by giving it plaintext to read. Let's give that system access to important credentials letting it poop all over the internet.

Completely safe and normal software engineering practice.