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Posted by cryptoz 21 hours ago

Acme Weather(acmeweather.com)
196 points | 122 commentspage 4
imiric 18 hours ago|
How are weather apps still relevant, let alone profitable enough to build a company around? This problem has been solved years ago. All the app needs to do is hook up to one or more data providers, and show some stats and pretty graphs. It's essentially a read-only frontend to an API. There are plenty of options to choose from on every platform, including not using an app at all.

The features this ad promotes all seem like solutions to nonexistent problems. "Alternate possible futures" don't give me any more confidence in the forecast—it just shows that it's not reliable, which everyone should know already. "Community reports" just add another layer of uncertainty. How can I trust that someone's report is valid or up-to-date, or that it applies to my area? Maps are nice and visually interesting, but this is not exactly novel. Notifications? No thanks. A weather app "should be fun"? Huge no thanks. Privacy and trust? Why do you collect any data?? Unbelievable.

kmbfjr 11 hours ago||
You are not wrong, except at scale it gets complicated quickly. For starters, to support large user numbers, you’re going to have to process your own grib2 data for radar and turn them into tiles at zoom levels.

It takes about 24 cores with a GPU to do CONUS, Canada, Alaska, Pacific and Caribbean data. This should be 2x for redundancy. Even being cheap with main processing in my basement (gen power, backup internet) the cloud costs to serve it are $200 month plus data transfer. The standby grib machine spins up should it not see the cheap primary or the NOAAPort receiver is offline.

There is no money to be made without whoring out your user’s privacy. People just won’t pay for a privacy focused weather app. I keep this going as a hobby.

imiric 9 hours ago||
Fair enough. Things are always more complicated at scale.

But then again, we don't know whether this company is maintaining this infra themselves, or if they're paying for API access. Besides, if anything, running their own servers is often the more cost-effective option, so the details you mention might not matter in practice.

My incredulity has more to do with the profitability of this type of software, considering that the free options are good enough for the average person, and that the features promoted in the article are hardly innovative.

> There is no money to be made without whoring out your user’s privacy.

Well, I do object to that. It's certainly possible to sustain a profitable business without selling out your users' data. It may not be as profitable as the advertising model, which is often too enticing for companies to ignore. This company explicitly says that their income comes directly from customers, so apparently I'm underestimating the amount of people who find these features valuable enough to pay for them.

cryptoz 17 hours ago||
> Why do you collect any data??

There are like, billions of internet-connected barometers in the world that are not used in weather models. I don’t know if Acme has any of that in mind, but there is plenty of good reason for a weather app to collect data from phones. I know @counters may disagree with me, but I believe there are opportunities to improve short term forecast accuracy using data collected from phones.

Also, pretty much every day, all the apps and all the sites will tell me the incorrect current conditions at my location, much less the forecast. It’s 2026 damnit. Why doesn’t my phone know what the weather is outside right now?

I haven’t got the app yet, but I plan on it (gotta upgrade iOS first I think). Acme seems to have a lot of ideas I agree with, so, definitely following this.

One more thing. Weather apps have not been “solved”. Not even close. They all suck, there’s billions in untapped opportunity, and a stale existing market of bad solutions. People die all the time from severe weather. There is so much more work to be done in forecast accuracy and communication.

imiric 16 hours ago||
> I believe there are opportunities to improve short term forecast accuracy using data collected from phones.

Alright, fair point. That could be a reasonable use case.

But judging by their advertised "Community reports" feature, Acme doesn't seem to be doing this. And even if they did, this feature should be opt-in, and their privacy policy should only apply for those users.

> Also, pretty much every day, all the apps and all the sites will tell me the incorrect current conditions at my location, much less the forecast. It’s 2026 damnit. Why doesn’t my phone know what the weather is outside right now?

Have you tried looking out the window? What do you need hyper-local and minute-accurate forecasts for? If you need to know accurate current conditions get a thermometer and barometer. If you want it on your smartphone, then the app could show you live readings from your device, without sending the data anywhere.

Weather forecasts have always been an inexact science, and likely always will be. Our models have gotten better over time, and at this point I think that they're good enough. I only need to know the general temperature and likelihood of certain weather events a few days in advance, at most. If there's a chance of rain, I carry an umbrella just in case. If it's going to be cold, I pack a jacket.

Highly accurate weather prediction doesn't solve any practical problem for the average person. Hyping it up like it does only serves as marketing for companies that want to build a profitable business around it.

counters 3 hours ago|||
> Weather forecasts have always been an inexact science

Weather forecasting is anything but "an inexact science." It's extremely exact up to the limitations and assumptions you impose on your model due to resource constraints.

And yes - I assume that this is what you mean by "an inexact science." But still in 2026 I regularly meet people who think that weather forecasting is the same as astrology, completely ignorant of massive amount of physical scientific understanding that goes into it.

imiric 10 hours ago|||
After thinking more about this, I don't think smartphones would even be good sources of ambient data that could improve forecasts.

Smartphones are personal computers. They spend most of their time in pockets and controlled indoor environments. This ambient data is of no use to anyone, which is why there's still a market for home weather stations, whose sensors are typically placed outside.

cryptoz 7 hours ago||
The barometer data is for sure noisy, and must be cleaned and quality controlled. But that is possible to do, has been for 10 years now (there are published papers and demo apps that can do it). For one, rate of change of atmospheric pressure is pretty much the same inside as out, your main challenge for the raw value to be correct is user elevation. That can be corrected in quality control as well.

Plenty of work has been done on this front, and it can be demonstrated that you can assimilate the smartphone pressures into weather models and get some good results. It is hard, of course, and I’m not sure personally how much better the forecasts get. But it’s absolutely possible.

zenon_paradox 20 hours ago||
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friet 19 hours ago||
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jwr 18 hours ago||
Doesn't seem to be available in the EU. Yet another US-only app with US-only weather, I guess, like countless others…

"Obsessing" over your icons and user interface won't make your app useful to people you explicitly do not provide your app to.

ca6d8815 18 hours ago||
Try your local weather app. Here in Switzerland the MeteoSwiss app is absolutely wonderful, and has all these main features:

  - Uncertainty bands in the forecast (the bands are a better UX than more lines imo)
  - User-supplied reports
  - Many many many different maps (snow / cloud / wind / sunshine / air quality / etc)
  - Alerts (not notifications, but real alerts to watch out for something)
Plus many more other features. I found Yr in Norway also good (and on the web you also get uncertainty in the 21 day forecast https://www.yr.no/en/21-day-forecast/1-305409/Norway/Troms/T...).

Local weather services shouldn't be overlooked (and they're "free"... save for taxes!).

k4rli 17 hours ago|||
yr.no tends to be most accurate for Scandi+Baltics somehow pretty often.

Ventusky has the best app experience in Android with many different layers like wind, precipitation, air quality and many more. Can only recommend this as well.

mr_mitm 17 hours ago||||
WarnWetter for Germany. Costs a symbolic 1 Euro for dumb reasons, but I think it's easily worth it.
jwr 10 hours ago||||
I actually use (and pay a subscription for) Windy, which is local (EU) and has data from a multitude of providers (some of which aren't free).

My comment was a critique of a launching approach that I find annoying, because I would never dare to launch an app ignoring most of the world.

ratrocket 9 hours ago||
Is that the blue windy or the red windy? I can never keep them straight!
sschueller 12 hours ago||||
In Switzerland all weather data is now also open and accessible via API. You can also use it for commercial purposes.

https://www.meteoswiss.admin.ch/services-and-publications/se...

fastasucan 15 hours ago|||
Yes! They are much better. Yr has a great API as well.
NoboruWataya 17 hours ago|||
BreezyWeather is a pretty good open source option for Android, if you are looking. Gives you plenty of options of data providers to use.

https://github.com/breezy-weather/breezy-weather

sixtyj 13 hours ago|||
Windy.com - both website and app. It covers the whole world and seems that they have very large number of models available.
esperent 13 hours ago||
Also yr.no app - the Norwegian weather service. Covers the whole world, uses a decent selection of models. I go between this and windy.
skadamat 11 hours ago|||
My understanding is that they're just starting out with the app. Someone posted it to HN prematurely. Dark Sky expanded to support global weather and I'm sure Acme will as will.
Terretta 17 hours ago|||
Has EU weather sources per credits (DWD, ECMWF, EUMETSAT -- roughly what it's doing is graphing multiple models), but if you are into weather apps you're likely best off with Carrot that (a) lets you design your own UI including matching this (more or less), and (b) lets you choose among weather sources and flip among them with a tap.

If it's about cute UI and key notifications, try Hello Weather. For microcell notifications on anything, Tomorrow weather. For much better maps, WeatherMap.

For comparing multiple models, try Windy.app. For coastal barrier island use, I have 8 graphed at once, most of them EU models.

Very little reason for any weather app beyond Carrot, though Apple Weather is surprising evolved from the app of 20 years ago, no longer the 4th app to replace after messaging, maps, and browser).

Carrot is the only weather app with a vicious weather control AI singing an entire Broadway concept album about your destruction at you though.

shakiness3383 22 minutes ago||
I appreciate the uncertainty approach of Acme, but it’s not very meaningful if the methods are black box (just a generic list of agency sources isn’t informative). Something like meteoblue is much more robust and transparent. Will have to give Carrot a try, sounds promising.
lionkor 17 hours ago|||
I'm in Germany and I really enjoy the Norwegian weather app YR, it's nice and simple and very clean.
pixelesque 18 hours ago|||
Yeah, odd to show an example screenshot with France and Spain on the map if it's not available there...
stronglikedan 9 hours ago|||
Not available on Android either, so... no big deal. They're just starting out. Give them a chance to grow.
caseyohara 13 hours ago|||
I doubt people would complain this much if they came across a weather app that is only supported in the EU or China or India. No one would say

Yet another China-only app with China-only weather, I guess, like countless others…

"Obsessing" over your icons and user interface won't make your app useful to people you explicitly do not provide your app to.

Build your own EU weather app if you care so much. No one is obligated to support their software in the part of the world you happen to live.

StopDisinfo910 16 hours ago|||
Why would you pay a subscription for a weather app in the EU when national providers are already so good?

I guess they wanted to focus on the US market at first because they know there is money to be made there.

bromuro 13 hours ago||
EU weather apps usually have an horrible UX. This one seems pretty cool and I’d pay for it if it would be available. I now use the ugly Windy.com app and the weather ios app.
WarmWash 13 hours ago|||
All Europe has to do is let grind-culture young people become billionaires and they'll have all the cool (and necessary) software they could imagine.

The US might suck socially, but the other side of that coin is that it gets all the cool stuff.

ho_schi 17 hours ago|||
It looks nice. Less nice but very good in Germany is DWD Warn Weather:

https://apps.apple.com/de/app/dwd-warnwetter/id986420993?l=e...

Yes. We pay for it with taxes! And again with our money in the App Store. But the app success is build upon the lawsuit from WetterOnline which is a private company.

https://www.bundesgerichtshof.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilung...

The lawsuit backfired and made the state funded app well known. WetterOnline attacked the DWD because the state funded app is superior :)

I think in Italy they have some similar app. Would be nice if the EU helps us to unify the app. And add offline capabilities, bad or no internet happens. The weather radar is offline of less use but the forecast still helps.

They release videos for dangerous weather on YouTube. We’ll know for regular people, in regular cloths, speaking like regular Germans. Everyone loves it :)

I like it when important services are provided by the state and private companies. Save foundation! In worst case the state is always better. In best case they compete and public benefits. In this case the private company just sucks. But they made a good job in advertising for DWD ^^

PS: If someone would implement a nice weather for Linux (best Gtk) based upon DWD public data? DO IT!

mlrtime 15 hours ago|||
Why not look into it instead of complaining about something you have no right to have in the first place?

Maybe the market is too small, maybe it will come with the next version, maybe there are EU barriers that prevent implementation?

This constant complaining about something that didn't exist 1 second ago is tiresome.

bromuro 13 hours ago||
Dark Sky weather app never landed in Europe while it was available in US for years. The complaint is legit.
agluszak 16 hours ago||
Why is that? I know that some US-based news websites choose the nuclear option of completely disabling access to EU-based users instead of complying with EU laws. But weather app? What problem do they have with supporting EU users?
greatgib 17 hours ago||
We don't care about a Weather app. Very easy to do and there are millions of it. What is missing is good freely accessible data /api for weather info.

Most free one are disappearing and frustratingly in most countries, the weather agency you pay with your tax will not provide it for you.

wlonkly 4 hours ago||
I care! I have to cross-reference multiple apps to get a good detailed forecast, a "minutecast" of precipitation, and Canadian humidex and windchill numbers. I haven't tried this one yet because I'm a little confused why it didn't offer me a free trial, but if it gives me all of that then I am sold.
Sgt_Apone 3 hours ago||
I think it’s a bug for Canadian users as it doesn’t offer me a trial either. Or they just don’t do trials here.
skadamat 11 hours ago|||
Speak for yourself :) Weather data is already freely available.

I want something that integrates into my life very minimally and just gives me the information I need when I need it. Most weather apps fail at this.

estearum 15 hours ago|||
I care about a weather app and since Dark Sky disappeared there has been nothing even remotely close to it in usefulness, FOSS or otherwise.
allddd 15 hours ago|||
Weather agencies funded by taxes should make their data available to everyone, since it’s the public that finances them. Luckily, that’s already the case where I live, but when I travel I have to rely on global sources like Open-Meteo, which are usually less accurate than local ones. Another open (and global) alternative would be great.
readsdiggdaily 7 hours ago|
Brzzy Weather is here and available all over the world. Enter "Monkey" in the secret code section and get lifetime access.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/brzzy-weather-radar-alerts/id6...