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Posted by phront 16 hours ago

CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate(www.koreaherald.com)
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guerrilla 9 hours ago|
I was wondering when people would find out about CXMT. I wish them luck and hope the US doesn't sabotage them. We need diversity and competition right now.
swed420 15 hours ago||
Awesome. Hopefully storage is next.
tonetegeatinst 16 hours ago||
More competition is always good
Magnets 14 hours ago||
This is just marketing. Why would you sell at 50% of market rate? Chinese production of NAND and DRAM is not significant, it's single digit %
amluto 14 hours ago||
It might be very effective marketing. The big non-Chinese OEMs trust and use Korean and Japanese DRAM, and they might have been unwilling to put DRAM from CXMT into their products. (CXMT is newish, does not have access to ASML gear, which ASML would like you to believe makes it harder to make high-quality DRAM, DRAM is historically not a very large fraction of the cost of most non-huge-memory machines, and a bad DIMM is an expensive mistake for a company like Dell or HPE that is on the hook for repairs.)

But now CXMT seems to have gotten at least Dell, HP (I wonder if the article meant HPE), Acer and Asus to buy and attempt to qualify samples. If CXMT lands some serious purchasing agreements while still selling well above cost, that’s a win for them.

deepsquirrelnet 12 hours ago|||
Does the last part of your comment explain it? They need revenue to expand capacity and the market has opened up a window to become a bigger supplier while still being profitable.
Tadpole9181 10 hours ago||
> Why would you sell at 50% of market rate?

Because market rate is a 400%+ markup right now and not everyone is a greedy American kleptocrat with a diagnosable addiction to extracting every possible cent of wealth on the planet within a single fiscal quarter.

DoctorOetker 11 hours ago||
Is there a reason GPU's don't use insane "blocks" of sdcard slots (for massively parallel io) so the model weights don't need to pass through a limited PCI bus?
Neywiny 11 hours ago||
Yes. Let's do the math. The fastest sd cards can read at around 300 MB/s (https://havecamerawilltravel.com/fastest-sd-cards/). Modern GPUs use 16 lanes of PCIe gen 5, which is 16x32Gb/s = 512Gb/s = 64 GB/s. Meaning you'd need over 200 of the fastest SD cards. So what you're asking is: is there a reason GPUs don't use 200 SD cards? And I can't think of any way that would work
hedgehog 9 hours ago|||
SD is obviously the wrong interface for this but "High Bandwidth Flash" (stacked flash akin to HBM) is in development for exactly this kind of problem. AMD actually made a GPU with onboard flash maybe a decade ago but I think it was a bit early. Today I would love to have a pool of 50GB/s storage attached to the GPU.
jiggawatts 7 hours ago||
First gen HBF is targeting something like 1.2 TB/s!
hedgehog 7 hours ago||
Oh definitely. The AMD past product just stuck 4x m.2 slots onto the board. Today that approach would be 50-60 GB/s read speed which would be useful enough for something that any of the vendors could build with existing components.
Dylan16807 4 hours ago||||
One thing to note, those aren't the fastest SD cards, those are the fastest UHS-II SD cards. The future is SD Express and you can already get microSDs at 900 MB/s.
magicalhippo 5 hours ago|||
Some years ago I realized that if I had oodles of money to spend I would totally get someone to make a PCIe card with like several hundreds microSD cards on it.

You can buy vertical microSD connectors, so you can stack quite a lot of them on a PCIe card. Then a beefy FPGA to present it as a NVMe device to the host.

Goal total capacity, as you can put 1TB cards in there. And for teh lulz of course.

15155 3 hours ago||
This isn't a very difficult thing to build, but I am curious - what's the point? Who is the market?
magicalhippo 2 hours ago||
The main point would be teh lulz as mentioned, and the market would be me. You know, just because it's possible.

Physically easy to build, main challenge for me would be FPGA implementation.

jiggawatts 7 hours ago|||
The next gen inference chips will use High Bandwidth Flash (HBF) to store model weights.

These are made similarly to HBM but are lower power and much higher capacity. They can also be used for caching to reduce costs when processing long chat sessions.

numpad0 9 hours ago||
Maybe latency. IIRC flash is a lot laggier than DRAMs and SRAMs.
127 9 hours ago||
The cure for high prices is high prices.
maxglute 13 hours ago||
Still no confirmation if CXMT or YMTC actually removed from entity list, until then this is jus cheap domestic inputs.
wcoenen 11 hours ago|
As far as I understand, the "entity list" you are referring to is part of the "Export Administration Regulations", so it restricts sales from the US to restricted entities, not the other way around.
Havoc 13 hours ago||
Great moment to break into the market if you're willing to forfeit profits
nutjob2 15 hours ago||
This is good news. The price you pay for jacking up your prices is losing market share.

Once established, the Chinese vendors will retain most the market share if the quality is ok. The SK/JP vendors are making a big mistake.

wrsh07 13 hours ago||
It's not clear that raising your prices to match the supply/demand curve is a mistake

They will compete on price if they are forced to, but they aren't forced to right now

yellowapple 8 hours ago||
It ain't the price raise that's the mistake (even if that's what's currently painful for those of us looking to buy RAM). It's the willingness to only raise prices, and not meaningfully expand production, that's the mistake.
Snoozus 57 minutes ago||
Would you build a fab that costs billions and takes years to start production because of a bubble?
xadhominemx 14 hours ago||
Everyone is completely sold out and adding capacity as quickly as possible.
ErneX 14 hours ago||
Are they really adding capacity?
xadhominemx 14 hours ago|||
Yes of course. Looking at the share prices of their suppliers— ASML, Lam Research, Applied Materials, etc.
kvemkon 12 hours ago||
But since when? There are public announcements about new energy deals since summer 2024. But I'm missing any information about similar RAM/NAND/HDD deals back then, so that corresponding shortages could be only for short time until, say, summer 2026.
ReptileMan 14 hours ago|||
I am sure you can lock great prices for ram for 2035 delivery.
cmxch 13 hours ago||
If only on principle alone, could one secure a contract to buy a few TB of DDR5 memory to be delivered in 2035?

And if so, how?

ReptileMan 12 hours ago||
Few TB probably not, but few EB I think you will be able to make a contract.
cmxch 1 hour ago||
Oh well. Just wanted to do a commitment buy to at least say “I don’t care if my RDIMMs are long obsolete” for some existing DDR5 builds I have.
alecco 12 hours ago|
Good news. Now we need Chinese manufacturers of DDR4 chipsets and motherboards.
lelanthran 11 hours ago||
> Good news. Now we need Chinese manufacturers of DDR4 chipsets and motherboards.

Search aliexpress for X99 dual socket motherboards.

wmf 12 hours ago||
Chipsets don't determine the RAM type and all motherboards have been made in China for a while.
alecco 11 hours ago||
Taiwan dominates the global motherboard industry. (ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, ASRock, etc. and MediaTek etc)

The big Taiwanese manufacturers are chasing the AI dragon.

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20251021PD219/ai-server-asro... (Oct 2025)

OTOH, now I read small Taiwanese manufacturers who are left out of the Nvidia supply chain are reverting to DDR4 motherboards because of the DDR5 shortage. Strange times.