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Posted by wizardforhire 9 hours ago

What not to write on your security clearance form (1988)(milk.com)
365 points | 155 commentspage 3
ErigmolCt 5 hours ago|
So something uncomfortable about clearance processes: they're not purely about truth, they're about interpretable truth
bombcar 9 hours ago||
It's obvious the real spy was Bob.
jll29 7 hours ago|
Bob AKA "Satoshi-san".
acehilm123456 8 hours ago||
When I was 15, a couple months short of 16, I ended up working as a student intern at a research facility. They required a clearance to badge into and out of the building, but I never worked on anything that directly needed the clearance.

So I was given the form to fill in and read the question: Since you were 16, or in the last 7 seven years, have you ever smoked weed?

So I thought, I guess I better think back to when I was 8!

forinti 8 hours ago||
> On another occasion much later, I learned by chance that putting certain provocative information on a security clearance form can greatly speed up the clearance process. But that is another story.

I have to know this now...

kyusan0 8 hours ago|
Here you go: https://yarchive.net/risks/mongrel.html
p1anecrazy 8 hours ago||
What a wholesome guy. Thanks for the read
est31 6 hours ago||
Note the date, it's April 1 1988.
sargun 9 hours ago||
I find it a little funny how much the government spends on these dead end investigations. We never will know precisely how much is wasted.
topkai22 8 hours ago||
Investigating a cryptographic key found near a major military installation during war time doesn’t strike me as a waste of money. We have the full information about the outcome, but the San Diego FBI field office did not.

I think that’s what makes this story so funny- the FBI was acting appropriately and rationally, but ended up with a relatively absurd result.

dehrmann 6 hours ago||
If a Japanese spy knew this would happen, they could waste enormous amounts of time by spreading unused keys around San Diego.
basilgohar 8 hours ago|||
It's not funny. It's a dag-gone jobs program. ICE, TSA, and more throw away billions to effect little but a heavy burden on the population. These organizations, FBI and other law enforcement included, invent crises and problems so as to secure even more funding.

Maybe the individual investigator in the story is excepted considering it seems he took it seriously, perhaps, but yes, a lot of money is intentionally thrown into these organizations for security theater, jobs programs, and padding the pockets of political friends and cronies.

What we should be worried about is how many legitimate threats fly under the radar because time and again these organizations have been proven to be highly ineffective at actually preventing what their charters mandate, but they can appear to be very visibly effective by incarcerating thousands of innocent people.

tverbeure 8 hours ago|||
And then when something big happens, everybody and their dog starts screaming “how could this happen?!?”

You can’t have it both ways… (not specifically directed at you.)

abeppu 9 hours ago|||
I mean, in this case the government spent thousands because there was a small amount of circumstantial evidence that suggested there was clandestine communication happening during wartime.

What was the immediate government spending on Japanese American internment, where there was no evidence or investigation into the ~120k people whose lives were disrupted, and who were transported, housed, fed and guarded for multiple years?

Arguably, spending thousands on investigating something specific is less wasteful than the alternatives the government was willing to take at that time.

Wowfunhappy 6 hours ago||
Just how little space was there on the form? I think I would have tried something like:

"When I was 12 years old, I exchanged encrypted messages with friends. The FBI found a code and briefly thought I was a spy."

Or, if there was even less space:

“As child, used encryption for fun. FBI found code & investigated.”

I would want to avoid lying at all costs, even if a superior instructed me to. Who knows what could happen.

NooneAtAll3 4 hours ago||
honestly, had he written the reason as "I devised new encryption scheme at 12" he might have gotten promoted rather than dissuaded

it's like insurance claim - precise wording matters more than facts

moron4hire 8 hours ago||
I have a somewhat similar story involving the death of an extremely elderly neighbor by an accident on his farm, and the suspicion by the state police that I at 12 years old had murdered him, based solely on someone saying they thought they saw me messing with his mailbox from a car that was similar to the one parked in our driveway. The mailbox which stood directly next to ours at the end of an easily walkable driveway. So yes, Mr. SF-86, I had once been investigated for a felony. Oh, you're only supposed to tell the truth if the truth will help the government catch to a bad guy? Very impressive system, sir. Top notch.
dgacmu 5 hours ago|
The modern SF-86 only asks about charged, not investigated (and AFAIR, that was the case also 20 years ago).

(And arrested, but presumably you were not).

pixelsub 8 hours ago|
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