Top
Best
New

Posted by iancmceachern 17 hours ago

Toyota Mirai hydrogen car depreciation: 65% value loss in a year(carbuzz.com)
142 points | 319 commentspage 4
oceanplexian 12 hours ago|
If you think depreciation on a few cars is bad wait until you find out how many hundreds of millions taxpayers spent to build hydrogen stations for cars that don’t exist.

At least it’s not as blatant of a green energy scam as the high speed rail to nowhere. In this case they actually built a few stations that worked.

themafia 15 hours ago||
In the US. How does their value fare in Japan?
decimalenough 14 hours ago||
Given the complete collapse in sales last year (-83% to 432 units, in a market of over 4M cars sold), I'd venture to guess they're faring pretty badly.

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news/fcev-sales-in-japan-fal...

numpad0 13 hours ago||
https://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/bTO/s235/index.html
whatever1 13 hours ago||
Not that much worse than an ev.
vel0city 12 hours ago|
Used models for my five year old EV are still selling for ~50% of what I paid for, so no, its far worse than most EVs.
SilverElfin 14 hours ago|
I still feel hydrogen fuel cells are the better choice. The convenience of refilling quickly is great. Maybe that’ll matter less if PHEVs are allowed to exist but with some places banning gas cars entirely, I don’t have hope.
audunw 14 hours ago||
The convenience of filling is only there if you have the fuel stations. Considering how expensive it is I’d argue that it’s far better to spend that money on EV charging infrastructure, you get a lot more bang for gour buck. And EVs are arguable significantly more convenient when you have the infrastructure. Would you buy a phone that lasted a week or two, but you had to go to a phone filling station to refill it?

And yes, EVs can be more convenient also for street parking. It’s just an infrastructure problem and by now there are dozens of different solutions for every parking situation imaginable.

It’s frankly absurd reading debates about this online from Norway. It’s over. Yeah Norway has money and cheap electricity, that’s what makes it possible to “speed run” the technology transition. But other than that it’s a worst case scenario for EVs. Lots of people with only street parking in Oslo. Winter that’s brutal on range. People who love to drive hours and hours to their cabin every weekend. With skis on the roof. Part of schengen so people drive all the way down to croatia in summer. We gave EVs and Hydrogen cars the same chance. Same benefits. EVs won. End of story. Though a hydrogen station near me blew up in a spectacularly loud explosion so maybe that makes me a bit biased.

elsonrodriguez 14 hours ago|||
The inefficiency of creating, transporting, and converting hydrogen into motion is way too much to bear for the purpose of eliminating a 45 minute charging stop.
vel0city 12 hours ago|||
I'll take the convenience of being able to charge my car every night compared to having to drive out of my way to go to the extremely rare hydrogen fuel station.

I spend more of my time pumping gas in my ICE car than I do waiting on my EV to charge. Quite a bit more time despite having a similar-ish mileage.

SideburnsOfDoom 12 hours ago||
> The convenience of refilling quickly is great.

Is it more convenient than plugging in an EV overnight at home, and having a full "tank" every morning?

It is not.

Electricity supply is everywhere. More so than Gasoline supply, and far far more so than hydrogen supply.