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Posted by Gooblebrai 6 hours ago

Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok(joinloops.org)
112 points | 71 commentspage 2
wolvoleo 2 hours ago|
I like the app but it really needs a mute function (ideally an option by default).
jmyeet 2 hours ago||
For 20+ years World of Warcraft has dominated the MMORPG genre. There have been a host of challengers and they've all miserably failed. In fact, there have only been a handful of successes (eg UO, EQ, FF14).

And what do almost all of these challengers have in common? Some version of "the PvP is going to be amazing". Why do these companies like PVP? Because it's essentially user-generated content. It increases time spent in game without having to create content, which is expensive.

Thing is, players of this genre don't want PVP. Even in WoW, I'd be surprised if 10% of the playerbase actively engages in PVP activity. So, by focusing on PVP, you're actually cut your potential market by 90%. Before you've written a single line of code or created any artwork. Put another way, you're spending valuable development effort on features only a tiny minority of players care about or even want.

I'm reminded of this whenever somebody on HN talks about federation. The only people who care about federation are... other people on HN. It does literally nothing for users. It greatly complicates the implementation. The last successes of federation are POTS and Email. It's quite literally never succeeded since. And the problems with federation that POTS and Email continue to have to this day should be an object lesson in why it's a bad idea.

Choosing federation from the start is choosing to lose. I'm sorry but it's true.

rrr_oh_man 2 hours ago||
This didn’t go where I thought it would. You made me chuckle. Thanks!
fsflover 1 hour ago|||
> The only people who care about federation are... other people on HN. It does literally nothing for users.

Until enshittification happens. Example: the fall of Freenode.

wiredpancake 1 hour ago||
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cogman10 2 hours ago||
It's interesting, I doubt it'll ever be successful.

Look, the reason a lot of content makes it's way to Youtube, tiktok, and twitter, etc is because the creators can earn money from the platform. On youtube and tiktok, you can send gifts to your favorite creator. That incentivizes creators to create content.

loops will never have that feature. It's really hard to legally distribute money like that. But further, the decentralized nature of it means that you'll never know if your funds ends up in your creator's account or the instant account.

Without any sort of path to make money, the only content on the platform will be works of passion. Maybe that's a good thing, but it means these people will ultimately burn out.

But on the plus side, it means you probably won't end up with an endless stream of AI slop.

wolvoleo 2 hours ago|
Instagram pays hardly anything. I don't know anyone doing it for that reason. It's more advertising for their other services. Like onlyfans, selling physical stuff, lectures, events etc.

And of course the people who do it for fun, usually the best content. It doesn't matter they'll eventually stop. There's always new ones.

I'm not sure about tiktok, but I doubt they pay much more than insta.

throwa356262 3 hours ago||
Congrats. All that remains now is spending $$$ on some D-level celebs to lure in the users...
blueboo 2 hours ago||
Open source meth is still bad in absolute terms even if it’s better than the alternative meth
Aeroi 3 hours ago||
two hardest problems for a platform like this.

1. users and initial flywheel. 2. content moderation.

Almondsetat 3 hours ago||
"Open-source TikTok" is like reading "open source slot machine". Not something you should be proud of, no matter how much you sugarcoat it with "All the fun of short-form video, none of the corporate control"
avidruntime 3 hours ago|
Short form content is a medium that isn't going away. Short form content is not inherently harmful, although short form content replacing or displacing other important mediums arguably is. When I think about the issues stemming from short form content, I don't think about the inherent medium, I think about the providers and their capabilities to use the sum of all consumed content by a user in the name of a ulterior motive at scale. While I haven't investigated it too deeply, Loops seems to be an effort in patching that. Is your objection in the marketing language or in the inherent technology?
Almondsetat 2 hours ago||
Short form user generated content being served in our faces in a constant and ever updating feed fucks up our brains. It does not matter if it's proprietary or FOSS or non profit.

>Is your objection in the marketing language or in the inherent technology?

I think saying it's like an open source slot machine is pretty much self-explanatory

SilverElfin 3 hours ago||
There have already been some TikTok alternatives that have become popular after it got bought by the Trump / Oracle / Silver Lake group of buyers.

One alternative I’ve heard of that apparently became popular is Skylight: https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/26/tiktok-alternative-skyligh...

deafpolygon 3 hours ago||
We do not need another tiktok.
brody_hamer 3 hours ago|
Censorship.
sheiyei 3 hours ago||
No, health advocacy (societal and mental). Better formats exist
ftchd 3 hours ago|||
This format is present on all video platforms, an "open" version is definitely a step in the right direction
logicchains 3 hours ago|||
A small minority of loud neurotics shouldn't get to dictate what social media other people use. I don't know a single person who feels like social media has affected their mental health; it seems to be a uniquely American leftist thing.
Almondsetat 2 hours ago|||
Small minority? What about all the studies and statistics both from third parties and from the social networks themselves showing a direct effect on the _majority_ of users? Not that I expected a better argument from someone that crams in "leftists" as an unwarranted snide remark
poolnoodle 1 hour ago|||
The anxious generation is a best-selling book for no reason then.
aaurelions 2 hours ago|
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