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Posted by haunter 14 hours ago

Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston(www.apple.com)
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DonHopkins 12 hours ago|
Now with OpenClaw pre-installed!
jimt1234 13 hours ago||
What's the over-under for Trump mentioning this in the State Of The Union speech tonight? The timing of this release can't be a coincidence.
SilverElfin 13 hours ago||
https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/02/24/apples-us-mac-min...

> Apple's work on a new Mac mini factory in Houston wasn't a quickly-conceived plan to appease President Donald Trump. The reality is that Apple had a plan ready to do this long before the demands started.

asfsf23423 12 hours ago||
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zenon_paradox 14 hours ago||
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hypeatei 14 hours ago||
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philipallstar 14 hours ago||
Those sound like good things. I'm not sure why your second paragraph sounds like the opposite.
bigyabai 13 hours ago|||
They're cursory gestures at best, and stark condemnations of US manufacturing capacity at worst. The Mac Mini and Mac Pro are not complex or dense electronics in the slightest. They're carrier enclosures for TSMC technology, you could probably make them in Siberia if you wanted to.

The hard part is manufacturing Apple's high-volume hardware, namely the iPhone. That is not anywhere close to being onshored, and Apple seemingly has no interest in even attempting it if Indian labor is still an option.

As Tim Cook put it: "In the US, you could have a meeting of tooling engineers, and I’m not sure we could fill the room. In China, you could fill multiple football fields..."

dmix 11 hours ago||
So Tim said it's not yet practical so they aren't doing it? And instead of moving what they can?

The article mentions they are opening a manufacturing academy to train a future generation of Americans to build manufacturing capability.

bigyabai 10 hours ago||
You have to ask yourself, why does America beg Apple to onshore in the first place? Why is Apple offshoring things that can be done in the US?

It doesn't matter how many manufacturing experts America trains anymore. We lost this race; China has globally-competitive manufacturing, and the US doesn't. Apple doesn't want to willingly pay for American labor today, and a decade of manufacturing graduates will probably only ease the blow when big corps are forced to onshore again.

hypeatei 12 hours ago|||
Currying favor with fascists is NOT good. What has meaningfully changed for onshoring to make sense economically? Nothing. All that's happened is an executive came into power who threatens tariffs and other retaliatory action via the DOJ / DHS / FCC if you don't do what Trump says. It's embarrassing and frankly insane that our business leaders continue to stay silent, have dinners at the Whitehouse, and put out puff pieces like this.

Mark Zuckerberg made up pledged "investment" numbers on the spot at one of their dinners and was caught on hot mic admitting it. This is hilariously corrupt and will not result in a US manufacturing boom.

philipallstar 11 hours ago||
Calling people fascists for any reason has completely removed the real meaning of the word. Putin did the same to incentivise the war in Ukraine, and in the US, if you're not the media companies benefitting from endlessly stirring people up to a frenzy with that word, you're the LLM trained on their very narrow input texts.
hypeatei 10 hours ago||
> Calling people fascists for any reason

Luckily it's not just "for any reason" then! There are plenty of examples, where do you want to start? I'll start with a few: Steven Miller saying they have plenary authority, Bovino claiming a city was "theirs" after rolling up with CBP/ICE goons, JD Vance saying federal officers have "absolute immunity", CBP officers showing up in force at Gavin Newsom's rally, and the pardon of Jan 6th insurrectionists.

Also you didn't answer how the economics of onshoring have changed, I guess the fascist thing really struck a nerve... I wonder why.

philipallstar 3 hours ago||
> I guess the fascist thing really struck a nerve... I wonder why.

Oops - you've done it again.

s-y 14 hours ago|||
Your point being?
hypeatei 14 hours ago|||
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s-y 14 hours ago||
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gridder 13 hours ago|||
Please enlighten us about your hatred and political (sun) glasses free vision
hypeatei 12 hours ago|||
Yes I hate fascists, thanks for noticing. Perhaps you need to take off the blinders.
buzzerbetrayed 14 hours ago||
Let’s say you’re right and Apple is only doing this because of Trump.

Then Trump did a good thing. You’re inadvertently praising Trump in your attempt to slander Tim Cook.

AIorNot 14 hours ago||
Better than nothing- assemble things made in asian countries in usa, just a step above boxing
lysace 13 hours ago|
Why is that better?
rayiner 13 hours ago||
Because it’s important to have the domestic capacity to build the most sophisticated products. Political power is downstream of manufacturing capacity. The countries that have sophisticated enough centrifuges that they can refine weapons grade plutonium derive an incredible amount of political power from that fact.

Remember that, after World War I, the U.S. had most demobilized its military. The Japanese had more aircraft carriers than the U.S. in 1941. That’s why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor—it thought it could win!

But while the U.S. was weak militarily, it had been the largest industrial producer since the late 19th century. Within a couple of years of Pearl Harbor, the U.S. had built a bigger air force and navy than the rest of the world combined.

That’s why it’s better to be able to make Mac Minis in Houston. Because you can repurpose those facilities to produce electronics for warships instead of having to buy parts from countries you might be at war with.

seydor 13 hours ago||
Good but they should be named 'Mac Donald' or Trump Mini or something and it should be engraved with gold letters. And they are too small, they should be huge
d--b 14 hours ago||
My wild guess is that Cook cut a deal with the IRS so that they build in the US, but get tax benefits other companies don't get, so that it looks good on the administration - like the tariffs are working - and still benefits Apple.

I don't think Apple wouldn't find a cheaper place to manufacture Macs than the US. The US is literally the most expensive place to build.

That, or the Mac Minis are 100% asembled by robots, which is also a possibility.

nessbot 13 hours ago||
Can one "cut a deal" with the IRS without it ending up in legislation (i.e. tax law)?
CursedSilicon 13 hours ago|||
Not without a big beautiful bribe [1] I assume

[1] https://www.theverge.com/news/737757/apple-president-donald-...

nessbot 13 hours ago||
Yeah, not denying the bribing. But that doesn't change tax law. It still needsto be passed by congress. Does it affect enforcement, though? maybe
CursedSilicon 13 hours ago||
So much of what this admin has done "needed" to be approved by congress. They're complicit in the overreach of power
mattnewton 13 hours ago|||
Legally no, but in practice the president has been trying to assert the power to unilaterally levy taxes, even in spite of the supreme court ruling that you need the legislature to pass a tax. People still paid the tariffs. I would be extremely suprised if that's the only place this admin is trying to tax by fiat, and tax policy enforcemetn is far less visible than consumer tariffs.
giobox 13 hours ago|||
We already know exactly what the deal is, no need to speculate. Apple got large tariff exemptions in exchange for supporting Trump's "Made in America" agenda:

> https://www.wsj.com/tech/apple-invest-american-manufacturing...

> https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/08/06/apple-exempt-from...

jgbuddy 12 hours ago||
Isn't that the whole point of the tariff? To incentivize US investment?
null_deref 13 hours ago|||
Non political genuine question, is building in the USA more expensive than let’s say Germany?
runako 13 hours ago||
No. But you have to understand that American political rhetoric only allows for things to be made either in the US or China (and occasionally Mexico). In that framework, yes the US is the most expensive place to make things.
bdangubic 13 hours ago||
by IRS you mean Mar a Largo?
jesse_dot_id 13 hours ago|
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