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Posted by todsacerdoti 22 hours ago

New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes(www.marginalia.nu)
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kklisura 17 hours ago|
Off-topic, tangentially:

Can we generate a huge amount of code, just compilable code, which is essentially just a trash. We seed the github, bitbucket, etc. and pollute the training grounds.

SolubleSnake 11 hours ago|
I think this may actually begin to happen anyway with the increased use of coding agents. A lot of the reason people/workers were not in a 'developer' position before was not only because they didn't know how to or want to learn how to code, but because they just didn't know how to or want to learn how to... think.

How many times have you had a coworker/boss/user ask for something totally nonsensical, impossible, or maybe even illegal? These people when they get unleashed on these agents and on large business problems are going to be a menace. They will create walls and heaps and mountains of working but totally stupid code as the AI attempts to work with their malformed attempts at a 'thought' and this will pollute github and the codebase for training...eventually it will outnumber serious, professionally written projects and you will reach an inflection point at which AI coding agents 'peak' and they begin to deteriorate.

Either that or you need to somehow ensure you are not training on AI written code but that too will cause a PR problem for the firms as it becomes obvious that AI cannot in fact replace developers?

izucken 17 hours ago||
I feel a sort of disappointment in how easily languages got swindled. There is seemingly no winning angle this time. This is the most doomed I've ever felt.
FergusArgyll 18 hours ago||
This user [0] is clearly a bot and has been shadowbanned but some of it's comments get vouched because they're pretty good. I don't see how you solve that problem!

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=octoclaw

CrzyLngPwd 20 hours ago||
It's a predictable outcome, and it will get worse.

What will/can HN do about it?

jascha_eng 20 hours ago||
One solution is to get rid of anonymity online, enforce validation of identity. Every human only gets 1 account. And then we still ban people that use AI. Might take a bit but eventually we'll have filtered out all the grifters.

If that's worth the cost... probably not?

OutOfHere 20 hours ago||
Getting rid of anonymity is in time going to lead to getting rid of the platform, so do it if you're feeling suicidal. People seek real anonymity for good reason. Not everything should follow them in life or for life.
flowerbreeze 19 hours ago||
I've been wondering too, what the solution would be. IF the bots were actually helpful, I wouldn't care, but they always push an agenda, create noise, or derail discussions instead.

For now maybe all forums should require some bloody swearing in each comment to at least prove you've got some damn human borne annoyance in you? It might even work against the big players for a little bit, because they have an incentive to have their LLMs not swearing. The monetary reward is after all in sounding professional.

Easy enough for any groups to overcome of course, but at least it'd be amusing for a while. Just watching the swear-farms getting set up in lower paid countries, mistakes being made by the large companies when using the "swearing enabled" models and all that.

mrktf 19 hours ago||
It can crank proof of work schemes to maximum, something like you need to burn 15-20 minutes 16 core cpu to post a single comment. It will be infuriating for users, but not cheap for bots
almosthere 18 hours ago||
Troll farms hastily adding to their init prompts "don't use emdash when writing comments"
artemonster 16 hours ago||
whats the point of botting comments on HN? can someone explain?
bitwize 20 hours ago||
How many of those are bots and how many of those are "fuck you, clankers" humans—like me?
cestith 18 hours ago||
Taking back the emdash — fight the power.
cookiengineer 20 hours ago||
> How many of those are bots and how many of those are "fuck you, clankers" humans—like me?

Maybe the em dash is the self censorship/deletion mechanism that we've all been waiting for. Better than having to write pill subscription ads, I suppose.

meindnoch 20 hours ago||
Anyone have a lobste.rs invite?
spartanatreyu 12 hours ago|
I've been lurking there for years and still don't have one.

Sometimes I'd like to correct misinformation about something niche that I happen to be over-knowledgable about, or drop a 1-5 line code fix for the very thing they're talking about.

But if the cost of me getting that commenting access is also lowering the threshold needed for anyone (or anything) to comment, I'd rather keep the threshold high.

A good chunk of users on lobste.rs are bloggers, so if they get something not quite right, I can just contact them through their blog anyway.

burnt-resistor 18 hours ago||
Something about correlation and causation of magic gotcha signals. Text may appear generated to a reader but there's no smoking gun evidence that can disambiguate fact from hypothesis. Even intuition isn't evidence.

Perhaps there needs to be some sort of voluntary ethical disclosure practice to disclaim text as AI-generated with some sort of unusual signifiers. „Lower double quotes perhaps?„

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