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Posted by andreynering 7 hours ago

Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown(blogs.windows.com)
124 points | 241 commentspage 2
throwaway85825 1 hour ago|
Why must they ruin notepad instead of creating a notepad++.
coffeecoders 2 hours ago||
I built a tiny Notepad clone in ~5 minutes using an LLM: open/save, plain text, no surprises.

Lately I've been doing the same for other small utilities. Roughly half the little tools I use are ones I generated and kept because they’re predictable and easy to audit.

The point isn't replacing built-ins; it's reducing dependence on shifting defaults. I want to care less about what the software/os vendor changes this time.

TeMPOraL 6 hours ago||
Markdown support isn't a bad idea, actually, as long as they don't break the most important (IMO) property of Notepad: binary WYSIWYG. I.e. if I type in some plain text and then open the file with anything else (including after moving to another machine/platform, or even viewing raw data stream in transit or on drive), I can trust to see that text, as is, and nothing else. In particular, if I restrict myself to lower 127 bytes, I expect byte-to-byte correspondence.

(Modulo CR/LF, of course.)

tracker1 4 hours ago||
FWIW, Notepad has had support for BoM detection and wide-characters (UTF-16/UCS-16) for some while. That said, IMO, most simple editors at this point should default to UTF-8 encoding and only LF for line endings.
java-man 6 hours ago||
Remember this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_hid_the_facts

Terr_ 4 hours ago|||
I think the Real Bug™ here comes from product-management: Nobody should be taking this kind of stochastic guess process and then just... 100% trusting the outcome with no feedback to the user and no way for the user to correct bad guesses.

For example, a prompt when opening the file like: "It's unclear what kind of data this is, here are a few options with a preview, pick which one you'd like me to use."

Annoying, but them's the breaks when you're making software and aren't willing to put in hard requirements about what it is expected to (not) operate on.

TeMPOraL 6 hours ago|||
Ah, the times when computing used to be full of wonder and discovery.
escapeteam 3 hours ago||
Why is progress always assumed to be about adding more stuff? Sometimes, taking something away would be best, but humans tend to overlook it.

Article: People systematically overlook subtractive changes - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03380-y

hirako2000 3 hours ago||
We are hard wired to perceive addition as value.
alansaber 1 hour ago||
> deploy loads of new features > bin them into few, better features > remove all the features > repeat
falcor84 3 hours ago||
I for one hate it when product managers update systems to make them simpler and remove features/settings that I depend on.
hsbauauvhabzb 3 hours ago||
Exactly, this is why I want notepad to be as simple as possible. I rely on it. The W11 notepad is frustrating and useless if all I want to do is open a file. I wish they would fix notepad by pushing whatever version was shipped in w10 as the default.
erickhill 2 hours ago||
Somewhere seemingly out of nowhere John Gruber got a strange sensation, like a goose walking over his grave.
madeofpalk 2 hours ago|
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/06/04/apple-notes-mar...

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/06/06/markdown-suppor...

MoonWalk 4 hours ago||
So the markup dialect that's widely used but suffers from a near-total lack of viewers will now finally be rendered as intended, at least on Windows?

Markdown presents a chicken-&-egg scenario that has dragged on for decades: tons of Markdown documents, but almost nothing with which to simply view (not edit) them as intended. Mystifying.

return_to_monke 4 hours ago||
The point of markdown is that it is human-readable not only in "rendered" html form, but plain text too.

I think this explains the lack of viewers; they are simply not needed.

rabf 42 minutes ago|||
https://github.com/rabfulton/ViewMD

Markdown viewer for Linux

tracker1 4 hours ago|||
At this point I really think GitHub should formally publish their flavor as well as a default implementation. It's likely the single most widely used variant online at this point.

I know there are others and there are fine points. I would like to see a couple minor additions to support image placement (that aligns with Medium's editor) and finally a strike-through text notation. But that's about it.

segphault 4 hours ago||
Github does publish their spec: https://github.github.com/gfm/ The CommonMark spec is largely based on it.
delaminator 2 hours ago|||
PowerToys had a Markdown renderer for the Preview window added in version 0.16.0, which was released around late March 2020.
AdrianB1 3 hours ago||
I used to write documentation in Markdown manually. About a year ago I started using a VSCode extension to tell me if there are minor errors in the documents, but nothing else.
tracker1 4 hours ago||
I still say this is stupid AF, and that notepad should stay as simple as reasonable as a plain text editor and they should have resurrected "WordPad" for this purpose if they wanted it in Windows. I'm mixed on the enhancements to Paint... but this just feels a bit off.

Maybe I'd mind it less if they put the new MS Edit in Windows by default, so again, there's a minimal plain text editor in the box.

LatencyKills 3 hours ago||
I was an engineer on the Visual Studio team. Internally, the Notepad project existed to provide a minimal, shippable product that we could use as a testbed. We used it to validate everything from compiler changes to kernel32 loader behavior on beta versions of Windows. If Notepad didn’t run, your feature didn’t work.

This doesn't seem like a good idea.

cogman10 3 hours ago||
Well, you see, they got rid of all the QA so those tests stopped adding value ;)
seanthemon 3 hours ago||
they have AI, they don't need QA or tests, come on man, aren't you a 9999999x engineer?
Dwedit 3 hours ago|||
Notepad was historically just a thin wrapper for the "EDIT" window class, along with file loading and saving.

And WordPad was built on top of the "RICHEDIT" window class, and exposed lots of the OLE features provided by the rich text control. "Insert Object" is a powerful and potentially dangerous feature with a lineage going back to the Windows 3.1 days. As long as your DLL is registered correctly, any document in an OLE-capable program can cause objects from that DLL to become instantiated and deserialized.

Getting rid of documents able to instantiate arbitrary OLE controls is a good reason to try to remove WordPad. It's not just some simple styled text editor.

larrybud 3 hours ago|||
The minimal text editor shipped with Windows is now Edit https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/edit/
WD-42 3 hours ago|||
There is something in the toolbar that looks like an avatar in the screenshots on the page.

Do you need to log in to notepad now? What in the actual hell is going on?

abrudz 3 hours ago|||
I don't think I did anything special. I just uninstalled "Notepad", and that revealed the good old Notepad.
deafpolygon 4 hours ago|||
Wordpad presented a “free” tool that they couldn’t monetize anymore. They want you to use Office. Copilot is shoved into Notepad so they can monetize your data stream.
ronsor 3 hours ago|||
They could've shoved Copilot in Wordpad
deafpolygon 3 hours ago||
And it would still compete with Word. They want you to switch to Office 365 (I mean, Copilot 365).
SllX 3 hours ago||
You jest but they did name change it to Microsoft 365.

Confused the hell out of me recently when I was looking for Office 365 on their website.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_365

ronsor 3 hours ago|||
It's actually the Microsoft 365 Copilot App
mikestew 3 hours ago|||
That’s Microsoft 365 Copilot” to you, buddy.

https://www.office.com/

SllX 2 hours ago||
Of course it is.
derefr 1 hour ago|||
If you think about it, Wordpad was always just the free "lite" edition of Word for people who didn't buy Office to use. Like Outlook Express was to Outlook.

But in the world we seem to be heading toward, where you can only log into Windows with a Microsoft account, and where your Microsoft 365 subscription state controls which "edition" or "desktop experience" of Windows you get as said logged-in user (regardless of which machine you're logged into)... there'd be no need for Wordpad.

In that world, Word the software package would always be pre-installed. (Why? Because even if you aren't paying for M365, someone who is could always log into your PC as a roaming user; and that person would want Word to work immediately without having to wait for it to download+install.)

And in a world where Word the software package is always preinstalled, then Microsoft could just let anyone launch Word (whether they have an M365 subscription or not); and then, at launch, rather than just putting a paywall in the face of anyone without an M365 subscription, Word could instead use the logged-in user's M365 licensing state to determine whether the spun-up Word process should run the full-fat Word UI, or some kind of degraded unpaid-mode Word UI.

And "Word running with some kind of degraded unpaid-mode UI" could be every bit the "Word lite" offering that Wordpad is. Which makes Wordpad itself redundant.

(The only weird part to me, is that they deprecated/removed Wordpad before pulling the trigger on all of this.)

hsbauauvhabzb 3 hours ago||
Wouldn’t VSCode be a better alternative to wordpad?
lunar_rover 3 hours ago|||
VSCode needs Electron which is too big IMO. It's also a specialised code editor instead of a general text editor, with features like builtin terminal and traditional menus instead of ribbons.
overgard 3 hours ago||
I mean, Microsoft is already using WebView and web technologies in Windows at this point. I agree electron is inefficient, but it's not particularly egregious when compared to what they're already doing
sigzero 3 hours ago||||
No, not at all.
NooneAtAll3 3 hours ago|||
vscode requires downloading all the plugins on top, which is bothersome

wordpad is all-included on its own

vyskocilm 2 hours ago||
At this moment ReactOS guys should consider distributing their apps separatelly from their bundle.

https://github.com/reactos/reactos/tree/master/base/applicat...

overgard 3 hours ago||
On one hand, I don't feel strongly about this because I literally never use these builtin Windows tools. I can't help but think it'd just make more sense to include VSCode builtin though. It's already very good and has a nice startup time, and then you don't need to screw-up fundamental system utilities that are more break-in-case-of-emergency then something that should be feature rich.
smusamashah 2 hours ago|
We can just "uninstall" this notepad and it will restore old simple notepad.
kiwijamo 2 hours ago|
Until a future Window release doesn't include the old notepad anymore.
pelcg 2 hours ago||
This is my concern with Notepad and the old one will just be gone for ever. Same thing happened with paint.
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