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Posted by WalterSobchak 1 day ago

A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification(www.pcgamer.com)
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bell-cot 1 day ago|
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." - unknown
autoexec 1 day ago|
I doubt good intentions had anything to do with this.
Mars008 1 day ago||
Next step will be reporting potentially unlawful activities.
K0balt 15 hours ago||
lol. The best kind of legislation (rated by entertainment value) is always written by people with no real understanding of the subject being governed.
blurbleblurble 1 day ago||
I hope the headline is just ragebait cause I feel infuriated
erlkonig 15 hours ago||
This is happening in Colorado too, meaning it could be part of a national push:

Colorado Senate Bill "26-051"

The actual bill and links to its two sponsors Matt Ball and Amy Paschal.

    https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/SB26-051

    https://leg.colorado.gov/legislators/matt-ball

    https://leg.colorado.gov/legislators/amy-paschal
It puts the infrastructure in place to do all of those things if a future(?), authoritarian regime wants to.

* It also reveals that visitors to any site are children, compromising their privacy and opening them up to targeted advertising

* The data will undoubtedly be added to the accumulated, traded databases so many services use

* The bill makes onerous demands of developers to consider other items that may suggest the user is actually in a different age bracket, like doing websearches for "toys" (child) or "toys" (adult) - which works what percentage of the time, exactly?

* And it's totally ineffective, since kids can look at porn anywhere they want, or internationally, regards of useless bill like this

The most egregious part of this bill is that:

* It legislates that if kids connect to a website, that website can query their age brackets (an "age signal"). This means their approximate age is revealed for kids-specific advertising, manipulation, or even sold to a pedophile group.

A DEVELOPER SHALL REQUEST AN AGE SIGNAL WITH RESPECT TO A PARTICULAR USER FROM AN OPERATING SYSTEM PROVIDER OR A COVERED APPLICATION STORE WHEN THE DEVELOPER'S APPLICATION IS DOWNLOADED AND LAUNCHED.

Basically SB 26-051 creates a mechanism that can be used to harvest the data that certain users are kids and then sell that data to anyone who will pay for it.

Data like this is traded internationally, which makes it tragic that elected lawmakers would waste time pushing a bill whose only mid-term effect would be making Colorado less attractive to developers and software companies.

The irony is that normally your kids would have been protected, by standard practices, from having their age exposed. This bill reverses that, putting your children at more risk.

The bill also would force many devices to provide age bracket data that are surprising to most people, because this part:

"DEVICE" MEANS ANY GENERAL-PURPOSE COMPUTING DEVICE THAT CAN ACCESS A COVERED APPLICATION STORE OR DOWNLOAD AN APPLICATION.

... means anything with Internet access and storage. This includes smart televisions, thermostats, tablets, smartphones, smart watches, some fitness tracking devices, some smart toilets, and so on, all potentially reporting your activity on demand, even if that back-end service has nothing to do with porn.

The bill is also poorly structured. Clearly it's intended to focus on services like app stores (Android, Apple), but by attempting to integrate support for this into operating systems, makes it available to hostile actors for any purpose worldwide. Further, it requires developers to guess whether other available information on a user might mean they're really in a different age bracket, exposing them to fines of $2500 to $7500 per minor "affected" (note: "affected" is not defined in the bill). The exemptions give blanket protection to developers working on for-internal-use software, but give no exemptions to recreational programmers. non-profit personal software, university projects, and so on, casting a chilling effect across software engineering generally.

Lastly, the bill is ineffective. Most of the web runs on Linux, a coöperative international effort, nominally controlled by one man in Finland. There is no chance of this bill's mechanism being implemented in this context. Nor will other developers be especially interested in rewriting software for this Colorado-specific bill. Further, the kids supposedly being protected from all the Colorado native porn sites would just web-browse to nearly any porn site and be outside of Colorado anyway, if not outside the US entirely.

These sponsors aren't alone. Most elected lawmakers are equally bad at technology and protecting democracy from the threats that come from chipping away at privacy protection. Bills like this appear in other states all the time, despite being toothless, easily circumvented by kids (who trivially circumvent even face photo hurdles), or radically compromising the privacy of adults (like this one).

There's also the long game, where these sometimes Democrat-led bills in various states could eventually see a much deeper-reaching federal one, where, instead of a "age signal", the user's computer must send an "ID signal", allowing all personal interactions with the Internet to be tracked, analyzed for political and other biases, and used by backbone firewalls to control exactly what people are allowed to read. Very handy for a dictator who might want to block off "fake news".

This is only a hypothesis, but one has to wonder whether sponsors to such bills even care if the bills work or pass, since either way they still get to claim they Protected the Children! even though the bills themselves violate privacy for everyone, often cause websites about breast cancer to be censored, or pave the way for authoritarian control - something this one stands out for. The only thing really surprising is that this bill wasn't sponsored by MAGA Republicans deliberately to add another paving stone to the road to national censorship.

I urge everyone to get in touch with other Colorado representatives to call for a fight against this travesty of a bill. Further, I would excoriate the two sponsors by email and phone, and tell them now that you will not reward this sort of juvenile lawmaking with your vote. Lastly, tell other people about how Matt and Amy plan to strip away their privacy in a way that puts children more at risk than doing nothing.

cantalopes 21 hours ago||
How did we get so dystopian all of a sudden
tonymet 1 day ago||
How will this work with ephemeral VMs? If you spin up a few hundred a day, will each one prompt you for birthday ? And whose birthday ? The CEO?
tamimio 22 hours ago||
Good luck enforcing that in linux, simply because open source community agreed to never agree on anything. The strength of anything is also its weakness, always.
upmind 22 hours ago||
What is the point of this?
jimt1234 1 day ago|
So now I have to prove who I am just to use something I purchased? Am I gonna have to prove my age/identity to my new laundry machine (it runs on OS)?
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