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Posted by WalterSobchak 12 hours ago

A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification(www.pcgamer.com)
378 points | 374 commentspage 4
dpoloncsak 11 hours ago|
I'm under the impression anyone doing nefarious things online are probably more-than tech savvy enough to not install an OS that rats them out...right?

Isnt that literally one of the first rules of the DNM Bible?

taraindara 11 hours ago||
Will kids raised on it not know anything different? Seems a path to reduce computer literacy. Then again, being blocked from doing something I wanted is what lead me to find ways around said block. But I already had unrestricted access to the system to bend it to my will. Seems like these kinds of systems won’t allow for the user to learn how to works at all. It’s a mystery box.
hnav 9 hours ago|||
One thing that's happening is that attestation is being plumbed into the web itself. CloudFlare and Apple have a collab where Safari will inject tokens that let CF know that the request is coming from a blessed device. In a world where all websites are being crushed by bot traffic, expect that Goog pushes on their own integrity initiative in Chrome in the next year or two.
Muromec 5 hours ago||
I guess, if you can install the OS yourself, that's adult enough to see whatever adults are doing online.
MangoCoffee 3 hours ago||
It's funny that more and more Chinese style laws are being passed in the West.

What's next? Chinese style social credit? You’ll need 800 points to run a sudo command?

Free society? Mass surveillance. The West is becoming more of a nanny state like China every year.

ipnon 3 hours ago|
California is becoming more like a nanny state. I don’t think a law like this would pass in North Dakota or Texas in a thousand years.
hafthor 3 hours ago||
What about embedded RTOS, like WindRiver or Zephyr? What if I write a memory manager and flash storage file manager for a really barebones MCU like a PIC? It didn't even define what an operating system is. What constitutes an update? If a security patch to DOS 6 came out, would it suddenly be required to have this tech? Is z/OS going to have this tech?

Overall, I think don't think it's a bad idea for devices to be able to host an age verification system that offers requestable boolean proof of age, like if porn site demands over 18 to view, the user, regardless of age, is prompted and if they accept, it returns either a positive cryptographic claim or a cancel signal if not of age. If they don't accept the prompt, the same cancel signal goes back. The idea that this feature would need a mandate of law is dumb.

rzerowan 8 hours ago||
Hmm i think at te moment its only Linux that has by default local only accounts except if being used in some sort of SSO environment .

Microsoft has been pushing aggressively to deprecate the local and funnel everyone to Microsoft online accounts , while Android and macOS/iOS are already in such a state by default.

Coupled with the same accounts being used for online login, looks like a feature creep panopticon in the making. With Linux lucking out be default.

rzerowan 6 hours ago|
why the downvotes on this?
bhewes 4 hours ago||
Fun to watch my generation who was raised by helicopter parents turn into tank parents using scorched earth techniques.
fnordfnordfnord 3 hours ago||
There’s a concerted global effort to push this legislation. It’s also been proposed in Colorado and, some version of it’s been passed in the UK and Australia.
defrost 3 hours ago|
> some version of it’s been passed in the UK and Australia.

Really? Can you expand on the version of Australian legislation that requires an OS to have age verification?

The AU legislation I'm aware of requires various social media sites to verify that users of those sites are not under some age, 16 or so.

That is not a constraint on the OS or on potential users, that's a legal requirement for Social Service providers.

fnordfnordfnord 3 hours ago||
I'm just catching up on the subject myself but, here's a news article:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-11/age-verification-sear...

It appears that the Australian and UK versions don't go as far as what seems to have been proposed in the US.

defrost 3 hours ago||
Australia's put the onus on vendors; you can't supply cigarettes to minors, you can't supply alcohol to minors, you can't social platform minors.

It's useful to get a feel on the policies and differences being rolled out before going over the skies and extrapolating from misconceptions.

brooke2k 3 hours ago||
clearly there's something I don't understand (or is the law just really this stupid?) - but what would this even look like for linux? every user account requires an associated age?

but users don't have a 1:1 mapping to the people that log into them. linux users that aren't used by any particular person, but by a particular _service_ are common. so are linux users that could be logged into by any number of people, and which have no specific single owner.

982307932084 9 hours ago||
Looking forward to resisting the regime.
AnimalMuppet 7 hours ago|
I'm thinking that I should grab a current Linux distro image while I can...
Bender 3 hours ago||
A new California law says all operating systems, including Linux, need to have some form of age verification at account setup

Curious how they plan to do this. Maybe digital rights management tied to TPM. If so it will take 3 ... 2 ... 1 .... cracked ... spoofed. DVD's were cracked with Perl. Curious what language this will be cracked in.

syntaxing 3 hours ago||
I don’t think the title is correct? All OS must have age profiles that external sources can query. There’s nothing explicit that checks the age itself in the law?
CWuestefeld 6 hours ago|
It's not stated here, but is it implied that app platforms that, themselves, have an "app store", would be required to read this datum and pass it to their app store?

For example, I've got a map application on my phone that lets me download maps, widgets, POI lists, etc. from their app store. It seems like enabling that age signal through this exchange is exactly what the politicians are looking for.

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