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Posted by throw0101a 4 hours ago

Dan Simmons, author of Hyperion, has died(www.dignitymemorial.com)
384 points | 163 comments
Freak_NL 3 hours ago|
The Hyperion Cantos is a masterpiece which every scifi fan ought to have read, but I would like to recommend a lesser known title of Simmons for readers who have read at least some works of Charles Dickens (self-explanatory) and Wilkie Collins (such as The Woman in White or The Moonstone).

Simmons wrote Drood (2009), which takes these two classical authors and places them in a mystery novel. What struck me as particularly masterful is that Simmons managed to write his prose in such a way that as a reader you soon forget that this book was not written in the 1800s — his tone and style match that of Dickens and Collins so convincingly.

rurp 36 minutes ago||
Despite being a huge fan of Simmons I had originally passed on this one because I didn't care for the Dickens novels I had read in school. At a family gathering I was surprised to learn that my Grandma was a big Simmons fan. She convinced me to give Drood a shot and sure enough I really enjoyed it! So I'd say it's worth checking out even if you're not a big Dickens reader.
nz 2 hours ago|||
Great writer. For people who want to get a taste of Simmons without committing to an entire book, I would recommend this (very) short story: The River Styx Runs Upstream[1].

[1]: https://talesofmytery.blogspot.com/2013/02/dan-simmons-river...

rdedev 2 hours ago|||
I tried reading it but I couldn't get into it. Maybe it the heavy religious themes or just the science fiction being so far into the future? I really should give it a shot again
samus 1 hour ago|||
It starts very slowly and the worldbuilding is exquisite and you will likely uncover many facets only upon rereading it. However, it is well worth persisting.

Work with considerably more action are Olympus and Ilium.

sleepybrett 37 minutes ago||||
It's Canterbury Tales structure put me off and the reveals didn't do anything for me. I think I stopped after the second book.
pilooch 1 hour ago|||
Try Flashback, it's darker but genius as well, maybe more approachable.
matthewsinclair 3 hours ago|||
100%. One of the genuine great writers.
UltraSane 2 hours ago|||
Carrion Comfort is a ridiculously entertaining novel.
tsumnia 2 hours ago||
I favor Carrion over Hyperion and find myself repeating Sheriff Bobby Joe Gentry's line "I like junk" quite often.
UltraSane 2 hours ago||
Hyperion is the better novel but Carrion Comfort is just really exciting and creepy. And the way the mind controllers treated regular humans like toys hits far too close to home now.
tsumnia 1 hour ago|||
Oh absolutely, I don't want to spoil anything but (to sound like a nutcase for a second) if there is an Illuminati then I think they were avid readers of Carrion.

Apropos given your username XD

defen 9 minutes ago||
> if there is an Illuminati then I think they were avid readers of Carrion

lol, I never really thought about that but given recent revelations it does almost seem like they were using it as a template.

washadjeffmad 1 hour ago||||
I still think about it relatively often. It took me almost a year to finish it between breaks to recover.
rwmj 1 hour ago|||
Yeah, one of the bad guys even had a private island where he invited all his rich psychopathic friends.
layer8 3 hours ago||
> The Hyperion Cantos is a masterpiece which every scifi fan ought to have read

You have to have some affinity to religious/Christianity/church topics, otherwise it’s quite a turn-off.

mbeex 3 hours ago|||
Atheist here: Not true, there is much more in Hyperion (and even Endymion)
layer8 2 hours ago||
I’m not saying that you have to be religious. But if you find those topics and related symbolisms rather uninteresting in your sci-fi, then the books may not be for you.
Brian_K_White 58 minutes ago|||
People are interesting, and religion is a thing people do.

In this case there is quasi-religious imagery but you as the reader aren't actually supposed to be mystical about the god/devil in the story the way the characters themselves are. It's not C. S. Lewis

Do you also find LeGuin uninteresting?

Freak_NL 2 hours ago||||
I mean, it's not my fandom, but Catholics do have a wicked sense of symbolism and decoration. Hyperion wouldn't be as colourful if Simmons used a bunch of Evangelicals instead.
indubioprorubik 1 hour ago|||
Well, i detest jihadism, but still could enjoy dune
stickfigure 1 hour ago||||
I don't want to dogpile on the other comments (atheist, loved the book) but I think there's something interesting here.

Most science fiction tends to assume that religiosity will fade as humanity matures, and in a few thousand years we'll all have a good laugh at those silly ancient humans. This feels generally right to me. But it's not the only possible future, and Hyperion explores a far future in which religiosity becomes more ingrained.

I thought it was one of the more interesting aspects of the book, and contributed to the feeling of "not just another space opera". You don't have to appreciate religion to like the story.

castral 2 hours ago||||
To be fair, the first novel Hyperion is quite literally a survey of major world religions, not just Christianity. It does settle onto Christian symbolism in the second book onward, but the first two novels alone are still worth reading for their ideas. No affinity required, it's just the default Western canon at work.
layer8 2 hours ago||
> just the default Western canon

It’s particular topics of that canon, and you have to fancy their treatment in a science-fiction setting. Some people like science-fiction because/when it proposes fresh perspectives that aren’t rooted in, by lack of a better description, non-enlightenment parts of that canon.

indubioprorubik 1 hour ago||
The clean slate of banks - where we discarded culture to embrace the "culture" and look where this "winging" it got us. Turns out the operating system of a society is important- and the atheist distilled synthetic one is not really working - same goes for alot of others.

The utopist urge for cultural tabula rasa is a retardation, a attempt of the brain to shirk embracing and discovering complexity. One has to look at the "backwards" parts to start to understand what works in a society and with the actual human beeings lifing in a actual society, not the wingless Star Trek Angels in PJs.

Embrace complexity, embrace analysis, build something without defining the endstate first. Make small things that work, combine them into bigger things that work. Way less calling for cullings of the "sabotaging traitors" as they are usual with utopists on the march.

bayindirh 1 hour ago||||
The religious themes are a thin veil in Hyperion, looking behind them opens another dimension to ponder about.

I’m not a Christian, BTW.

ceejayoz 3 hours ago||||
I have zero affinity for those and found it a fascinating read.
Supermancho 2 hours ago||||
It's interesting how different stories have different underlying religious underpinnings in different parts of the world. It's important to consider that these themes are precisely because the stories are born from the surrounding culture.

Christian references in the Cantos were probably incidental, given the expected familiarity of the intended audience (american white male young men). eg The Matrix trilogy started with the obvious messianic hero's journey, then attempted to expand it in the following films (karma, cycles of death and rebirth, etc).

For some, these religious messages can be a turn off, I agree. I happened to be raised in a culture that allowed me to ignore it more or less and I can recognize that.

sgillen 2 hours ago|||
Not sure if I agree with the christian references being incidental ... the first book is literally a retelling of the The Canterbury Tales, all the characters are on a pilgrimage. there are a bunch of religious groups with at least one being central to the story, there are cross shaped parasites that grant eternal life.

I still think you can enjoy it without caring much about religion.

AlanYx 1 hour ago||
>there are cross shaped parasites that grant eternal life

Without giving away any spoilers to the books, the parasites are only that on the surface. If anything, the books present a wary picture of religion, especially the last two Endymion books, but also a wary picture of technology.

Barrin92 1 hour ago|||
>Christian references in the Cantos were probably incidental,

They're not at all incidental. The themes and the literal Catholic Church don't just make it into the books by osmosis, they're central to it and deliberate.

Like Gene Wolfe he's part of a pretty small group of US authors who wrote Catholic speculative fiction. Like Wolfe his writing is also fairly un-American. If Heinlein or Asimov are examples of archetypal US science fiction, Simmons is about as far as the other end as you can be, with the post-modern structure, the Canterbury Tales as a template for the story and so on.

samus 1 hour ago||||
It's up to anybody to not have a particular taste for religious topics, however, spirituality (or the lack thereof) is an important part of human culture and psychology. Therefore a science fiction novel in a sufficiently different setting from Earth's early 21st century really ought to cover these topics as well, l lest the worldbuilding would be very shallow and the resulting work would likely lack depth.
kakacik 2 hours ago||||
Atheist/agnostic here, completely untrue statement
Brian_K_White 1 hour ago||||
Atheist. Loved it.
loloquwowndueo 1 hour ago||||
Entirely untrue.
Trasmatta 2 hours ago||||
I disagree strongly. I'm not religious at all, and have a strong aversion to Christianity, and I loved those books.
iamtheworstdev 2 hours ago|||
:shrug: I'm an Atheist, I loved the series.
clarkmoody 2 hours ago||
Simmons opened new frontiers of thought for me with his Hyperion Cantos. A house with each room on a different planet. A heartbreaking tale of a daughter aging in reverse. A romance playing out over space and time. A grand piano on the pop-out balcony of a starship. The cruciform parasite. The Shrike.

Branches of humanity torn between decadent stagnation and radical evolution. The artificial intelligence civilization with its own agenda. The All Thing (Internet) as the third branch of government.

So much good stuff, published in 1989 no less.

Rest in Peace to a true legend.

libraryofbabel 9 minutes ago||
Oh, boy. The Shrike. That thing still haunts me in a way that no other monster or alien across all of Sci-fi or fantasy really does. It's something about the inscrutability of it, especially in the first novel (still my favorite) where its purpose and backstory haven't been revealed. Sure, it's scary, but I think the mystery of its motives - and its ability to unpredictably act apparently benevolently sometimes - is where the real terror lies.
samus 1 hour ago||
He predicted social media as well. So many themes in this work only mentioned in passing, too many to develop in full...
tetrisgm 5 minutes ago||
Thank you for the wonderful stories. Hyperion was such a trip. It managed to move me, an aging hardcore sci-fi fan, with its silly, chaotic, poetic universe.
colkassad 10 minutes ago||
I've had this internet handle since the last century. Most people in here are talking about Hyperion but Simmons was a fantastic cross-genre author. My favorites were his historical fiction that contained a fantastical bent:

Drood: Has Wilkie Collins as an unreliable narrator, depicting the last five or so years of Charles Dickens' life.

Crook Factory: An FBI agent is sent to Cuba to keep an eye on Ernest Hemingway, hijinks ensue.

The Fifth Heart: Henry James and Sherlock Holmes team up to solve a mystery.

The Terror: Tells the story of what happened to the HMS Terror that attempted to make the northwest passage. The Arctic is a character in itself in this amazing story. I thought the TV mini-series was fine.

Abominable and Black Hills: I haven't read these yet but look forward to doing so.

Honestly, I think Dan Simmons is my favorite author. I know his politics became unpalatable but I could never find it in myself to care. My heart sank when I saw this post.

melecas 3 hours ago||
The TechnoCore using human minds as unwitting processing nodes — to solve a problem humans couldn't even be told about — reads differently every few years. 2026 is a particularly strange time to reread it.
perardi 3 hours ago|
Also, that should have been the backstory of the Matrix, and not the whole “living power source” nonsense.
ortusdux 3 hours ago|||
I'm convinced that the studio forced the change to 'human batteries' out of concern over a conflict with Hyperion.
bee_rider 2 hours ago||
Probably the idea is broad enough to get away with borrowing it or putting their own spin on the general idea (I mean, it is expected that stores will influence each other and ideas will spread). I’d rather guess that a studio executive thought the battery idea would be more understandable to people (if that is the case though, I think they were dramatically wrong, the computing idea makes much more sense and I think all of us in the audience would have been fine with it).
Henchman21 1 hour ago||
Remember that all critiques of Hollywood require you to think like you’ve just consumed a massive line of cocaine. Because that is how they think and live. So, empathy reduced to zero, all your ideas are great, everything else is dumb, etc. Making decisions under the influence of strong narcotics is a recipe for idiocy.

Source: me, I had a huge cocaine problem and worked many years in the tech side of music and movies

MikeTheGreat 3 hours ago||||
I saw a YouTube video where they said this was more-or-less the original backstory but then they changed it. I think it said that the People In Charge thought the 'living power source' would be easier for the audience to understand?

I don't have the link handy, and don't trust everything I read on the Internet, etc, etc.

But yeah - this makes so much more sense than breeding, raising, and feeding humans just to harvest their body heat.

perardi 3 hours ago|||
According to Reddit…so, grain of salt…that is an urban legend, related to a Neil Gaiman short story that appeared on the Matrix promo website.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1amree7/theres_a_wi...

bee_rider 2 hours ago||
I think we the urban legend really sticks around because the compute explanation just makes much more sense and we all want this beloved movies not to have a sill (albeit inconsequential) plot hole.
perardi 2 hours ago||
Oh, totally, it’s my head canon as well.
bee_rider 2 hours ago||
Mine is either that, or, the idea I mentioned in this post:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47185076

Machines trying to be benevolent, but overly controlling.

jbaber 21 minutes ago||
That's very good.
tempestn 3 hours ago|||
I like to think the machines actually were using them for processing power, and the humans themselves just misunderstood (or oversimplified for Neo) what was actually going on.
bee_rider 2 hours ago|||
Processing power is my second favorite explanation.

My first favorite would have been: they don’t use the humans for anything, the pods are just the most efficient way to store humans. The machines think they are being benevolent, just want peace and quiet and for humans to stop doing dramatic things like scorching the sky. But I don’t know where the plot would go from there.

jemmyw 1 hour ago||
There is backstory that the films could have gone into, though I don't know if it was written before or after the first film. The humans in the matrix were allied with the machines and they put them in the matrix to protect them from the war. They were being benevolent.
unsupp0rted 7 minutes ago||
They benevolently feed the dead to the living
unsupp0rted 8 minutes ago||||
What the humans thought they knew came from the Zion archives mostly. And guess where the Zion archives came from…
xg15 3 hours ago||||
I like how the other story that has this premise is Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
ping00 2 hours ago||
don't forget Sirens of Titan!
gostsamo 2 hours ago|||
I'm sure that one Star trek episode had the same premise, together with something from Lem. The connection human/machine brain is rather old and human brains being used for computation is so reused, it is practically public domain.
Gazoche 34 minutes ago||
I have never read an ending that was as sad, happy, clever and beautiful as the ending to Rise of Endymion. To this day it's one of the very few books that made me shed a tear.

Now, over decade later, I am in the middle of re-reading every book in the Cantos series back to back (this time in their original language), and still loving them.

Rest in peace Mr Simmons. You had the words of a poet and the mind of a dreamer.

Aromasin 3 hours ago||
Wow. I picked up a copy of Hyperion this morning while taking a random stroll through town - something I rarely do during a work day anymore. I popped into a book shop on a complete whim, and picked it up as it had been on my list for a while. The coincidence feels deeply uncanny.
Loughla 22 minutes ago||
Do yourself a favor and get the audiobook after you read the physical book. It is, hands down, the best audiobook ever made. By far and away.
occz 1 hour ago|||
And I just finished The Rise of Endymion a few days ago. Uncanny indeed.
Kaibeezy 2 hours ago||
I started reading it for the first time this week. It’s just a statistical anomaly… but humans are wired to notice and feel coincidence; it connects us to space and time in a way that must have helped make religion more believable.
bookofjoe 2 hours ago||
"Coincidence is a glimpse of the scaffolding of reality."

I read that many years ago, forgot the source.

mwigdahl 2 hours ago||
It would be interesting if it were Dan Simmons…
loloquwowndueo 12 minutes ago||
It’s all about the Hyperion Cantos which is fair but - the one Dan Simmons book we still talk about, years later, is his first novel: Song of Kali. Short and raw, one of the most horrifying books I’ve ever read.
StillBored 54 minutes ago||
RIP, truly one of the greats.

His early stuff contains some real masterworks. Hyperion is still to this day, going to show up at the top of my scifi recommended reading list, most of his horror novels were also great in their own ways.

PS: I thought Fall of Hyperion should have been the end, it was just too final. There was plenty of space for some prequels but while the sequels contained some interesting ideas, they just never got to the level I felt justified reversing the finality of Fall. And Olympus/etc was pretty forgettable, but I don't regret the time I spent reading pretty much everything he wrote, sometimes more than once. So again, RIP.

crorella 26 minutes ago|
I am sad to know about this, Dan Simmons had a mind blowing amount of imagination and the ability to turn that into interesting and imaginative books that expanded my imagination when I read them.

I loved Hyperion cantos, Illium and then non sci-fi books like A Winter Haunting and Summer of night (which I read in the wrong order lol).

I am also happy to read that he was a great person overall and a great teacher. May he rest in peace.

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