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Posted by BloondAndDoom 1 day ago

We Will Not Be Divided(notdivided.org)
2534 points | 800 commentspage 4
groundzeros2015 12 hours ago|
For all the authoritarian regime talk. Here we have a list of many non-citizens willing to argue with the secretary of war of a country they are a temporary resident of, with no concern of repercussion.
chairhairair 11 hours ago|
“no concern of repercussion”

Your worldview is outdated. There are obviously risks to signing this. Get your head out of the sand.

fragkakis 16 hours ago||
I clearly see the point against using AI for mass surveillance and fully autonomous weapons. But for the latter, I don't see a choice. If other countries are willing to allow fully autonomous weapons using their own AI, it's no longer a matter of choice, you have to do it too.
trinsic2 9 hours ago||
> it's no longer a matter of choice, you have to do it too

You know, there are plenty of examples where people in positions of power choose different paths of escalation. I doesn't always need to be liner tit for tat. Some times you need to step back and look at the larger picture and decide of the escalation is worth the risk for all of humanity.

There is a video about game theory [0] that describes this problem very clearly. You have better outcomes when you make decisions outside the direct course of escalation.

Please don't talk in absolutes about these things, you have an opinion. I accept that, but its not as black and white as you think

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScpHTIi-kM

zarzavat 15 hours ago||
The same could be said of mass producing chemical and biological weapons.
fragkakis 15 hours ago||
For what it is worth, those have been banned universally AFAIK
mitch-flindell 1 day ago||
The primary purpose of these products is mass surveillance why else would they be allowed to be built ?
pciexpgpu 5 hours ago||
The common people have viewed tech elites being out of touch. Tech elites have some sort of moral higher ground they like to espouse but rarely have the goods to show.

You are working on ads, slurping up data and trapping people into rage baits and dramas with an economy centered around marketing and influencer types.

I don't think these tech elites should decide arbitrarily by signing some fake elitist pledge.

The USA has a democratic way of resolving these things. It should not be in the hands of a few. The executive branch is a side effect of elections and should hold the line against these tech elites.

I don't agree with the essence of these nonsense pledges either: they are actively undermining the US while living and breathing here thanks to the most advanced military and defense systems on earth.

Why are these tech elites not including things like "we won't slurp up ad data" or "we will not work on dark patterns" because it's easy to come up with BS pledges and seem like 'we are so holier than thou'.

It is a bit infuriating because this resulted in the mess we are in. The income disparity between the tech elites (the entire tech industry) and the rest of the country is so huge that I don't think empty posturing and pledges and moral superiority matters.

I do not want to be associated with these elitist people who as a group are extremely educated, talented, impactful - but in one very very tiny piece in the grand scheme of things. Doesn't automatically make you the controller of the entire world's decisions.

threethirtytwo 7 hours ago||
It's like watching Darth Vader Senior fight Darth Vader Junior and luke skywalker is nowhere in sight.
sourcegrift 20 hours ago||
Cute, I will also sign this since there are only upsides of Good optics and no downsides Let me know when any of them resigns after the companies do inevitably take the million dollar contracts.
driverdan 1 day ago||
This is a nice gesture but completely meaningless. There is absolutely no commitment in this. "We hope our leaders.." has no conditions, no effects.

If you're an employee and actually believe in this you need to commit to something, like resigning.

driverdan 12 hours ago||
Now that Sam has already ignore this, it's time for OpenAI employees who signed to actually do something https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47189650
culi 1 day ago||
it's the first step towards actually organizing. Reminds me of how the Kickstarter union came to be

Any collective action should be encouraged

celltalk 19 hours ago||
Wouldn’t it be ironic if US used open source Chinese models for domestic mass surveillance and autonomously killing people without human oversight… democracy at its best.
abhijitr 1 day ago||
The book "On Tyranny: 20 lessons from the 20th century" by the historian Timothy Snyder is an excellent read for these times. The very first lesson is "Do not obey in advance". It's about how authoritarian power often doesn't need to force compliance, people simply bend the knee in anticipation of being forced. This simply emboldens the authoritarians to go further.

I've been disappointed to see many businesses and institutions obeying in advance recently. I hope this moment wakes up the tech community and beyond.

trinsic2 8 hours ago||
This came up in my noncooperation training recently[0]. Thank you for posting this.

[0]: https://freedomtrainers.net/

ozozozd 16 hours ago||
For companies / billionaires obeying in advance means they are buying their subscription to a period of favors like better contracts, lesser scrutiny over mergers, lighter enforcement of all laws.

I’d like to think that they are scared/obeying, but they’re likely just joining an organization.

Dansvidania 13 hours ago|
I think the time when engineers could steer the heading of the companies they work for is long gone, sadly.

It’s too little too late. Don’t be evil is not a value anyone is even pretending to uphold.

I’d rather someone of these very smart people start to develop countermeasures.

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