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Posted by golfer 1 day ago

We do not think Anthropic should be designated as a supply chain risk(twitter.com)
797 points | 431 commentspage 8
throwaway314155 1 day ago|
Can someone please explain plainly what this means and what happened, and why it is the source of so much controversy?

I'm not being insincere - I am genuinely confused and would benefit greatly from a (hopefully unbiased) recollection of what this is all about.

scottyah 1 day ago|
Here's my take-

Anthropic has some contracts with the US government. They want some additional terms put on their next contract (that seem pretty sane). SecWar cries about it, and not only says "no thanks, I'll just go with openai or google" but goes to daddy Trump and also puts out illegal commands for no Federal workers to use any Anthropic stuff at all. OpenAI swoops in and takes the contract, then tells everyone that they have the same terms but just played nicer to get the contract. However, their terms are just manipulative sentences that aren't even close to the terms Anthropic is insisting on to do business.

hmokiguess 1 day ago||
Now that’s something. Another campaign advertising. Wow
resters 1 day ago||
In my opinion any AI company working with the Trump administration is profoundly compromised and is ultimately untrustworthy with respect to concerns about ethics, civil rights, human rights, mass-surveillance, data privacy, etc.

The administration has created an anonymous, masked secret police force that has been terrorizing cities around the US and has created prisons in which many abductees are still unaccounted for and no information has been provided to families months later.

This is not politics as usual or hyperbole. If anything it is understating the abuses that have already occurred.

It's entertaining that OpenAI prevents me from generating an image of Trump wearing a diaper but happily sells weapons grade AI to the team architects of ICE abuses among many other blatant violations of civil and human rights.

Even Grok, owned by Trump toadie Elon Musk allows caricatures of political figures!

Imagine a multi-billion-dollar vector db for thoughtcrime prevention connected to models with context windows 100x larger than any consumer-grade product, fed with all banking transactions, metadata from dozens of systems/services (everything Snowden told us about).

Even in the hands of ethical stewards such a system would inevitably be used illegally to quash dissent - Snowden showed us that illegal wiretapping is intentionally not subject to audits and what audits have been done show significant misconduct by agents. In the hands of the current administration this is a superweapon unrivaled in human history, now trained on the entire world.

This is not hyperbole, the US already collects this data, now they have the ability to efficiently use it against whoever they choose. We used to joke "this call is probably being recorded", but now every call, every email is there to be reasoned about and hallucinated about, used for parallel construction, entrapment, blackmail, etc.

Overnight we see that OpenAI became a trojan horse "department of war" contractor by selling itself to the administration that brought us national guard and ICE deployed to terrorize US cities.

Writing code and systems at 100x productivity has been great but I did not expect the dystopia to arrive so quickly. I'd wondered "why so much emphasis on Sora and unimpressive video AI tech?" but now it's clear why it made sense to deploy the capital in that seemingly foolish way - video gen is the most efficient way to train the AI panopticon.

imiric 19 hours ago||
The layers of stupidity on this shit cake are staggering. I don't even know where to start...

Let it be known that this rotten industry brought us here, and that all people working for these companies are complicit with what is happening, and with what is yet to come. This is just the beginning.

abhitriloki 1 day ago||
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rustyhancock 1 day ago||
> Anthropic's position was categorical: no mass surveillance, full stop.

It was "[No] mass domestic surveillance of Americans"

It's far more narrow a restriction than you seem to imply. For example, mass domestic surveillance of non-Americans seems okay.

beachy 1 day ago|||
That's right. From outside the US Anthropic looks every bit as threatening as any other AI company.
stahorn 1 day ago|||
No mass domestic surveillance of citizens is an old trick also. Country A doesn't surveil their citizens and Country B doesn't do theirs. But then they set up the infrastructure and both surveil each other's citizens and then exchange information. Then when they have all the infrastructure, it would be almost a crime to not use it to catch criminals. I mean, think of the children...
jascha_eng 1 day ago|||
This is an LLM bot. Careful what you upvote folks especially with new accounts.
nujabe 1 day ago||
Do you have evidence for that?

The post made important points so who cares.

usefulposter 1 day ago|||
>who cares

dang cares.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47077431

    (1) Generated comments aren't allowed on HN - this rule predates LLMs but obviously applies even more now: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22generated%20comments%22&sort=byDate&type=comment

    (2) If you see accounts that look like they're mostly posting genAI comments, please let us know at hn@ycombinator.com.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46747998:

    Please don't post generated or AI-filtered posts to HN. We want to hear you in your own voice, and it's fine if your English isn't perfect.
hagbarth 1 day ago||||
> Do you have evidence for that?

Check the post history. It’s pretty obvious

jascha_eng 23 hours ago|||
If the writing itself is not enough for you read the other comments they posted like 6 or 7 on topic within 10 minutes. Noone reads the content that fast.
scrollop 1 day ago|||
Exactly the sort of behaviour we now expect from Altman, and perhaps the behaviour that caused him to be temporarily ousted those decades before.
imjonse 1 day ago||
exactly the sort of behaviour that guaranteed he would be un-outsted by the powerful who back him.
fh973 1 day ago||
No mass surveillance of Americans it is.
dev1ycan 1 day ago||
Pathetic attempt at damage control, lol.
chmorgan_ 16 hours ago||
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Helloyello 14 hours ago||
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xorgun 17 hours ago||
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jwpapi 1 day ago|
No wonder they think they’re close to AGI when they think we are that stupid.

> The AI System will not be used to independently direct autonomous weapons in any case where law, regulation, or Department policy requires human control, nor will it be used to assume other high-stakes decisions that require approval by a human decisionmaker under the same authorities.

This whole sentence does do absolutely nothing its still do what the law allows you. It’s a full on deceptive sentence.

zarzavat 1 day ago||
Boycott OpenAI.

Let's kill their business before it kills us.

OccamsMirror 1 day ago||
Don't boycott it! Just don't pay for it. Smash the free service hard.
sethammons 21 hours ago||
Active users are worth a lot. It is signal that they are the chosen solution.
scottyah 1 day ago|||
Altman must have read a lot of Kissinger. If your brain scans the text quickly it almost seems like it's Anthropic's red line, except the second half completely negates it. Completely untrustworthy IMO, this is a direct, malicious intent to misdirect.
IAmGraydon 1 day ago||
These people truly believe we're all idiots.
yoyohello13 1 day ago||
Doesn’t matter what they Believe. Not like we are going to do anything about it. Next couple weeks most of HN will be lining up to use the new OpenAI model that’s .01% better.
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