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Posted by speckx 17 hours ago

I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services(neilzone.co.uk)
913 points | 557 commentspage 8
dgxyz 12 hours ago|
I'm not reluctant to. I just won't!

I'm punching myself in the balls one way or another.

jjgreen 17 hours ago||
This guy is reading my mind ...
nathias 10 hours ago||
the fight for privacy was lost in the 90s, it's time to move on
delaminator 16 hours ago||
Steam was asking for your Age since day 1.

1 - 1 - 1970 is always mine - Unix zero

kps 16 hours ago|
I too like to appear younger online.
shadowgovt 16 hours ago||
The most relevant question to answer for your jurisdiction is "What is the penalty for lying?"

If none, you were born on March 5, 1957.

(Note on evaluating this: there are some circumstances where the penalty changes later. I know one person who's Global Access paperwork was delayed because they lied to their airline's frequent flyer program about their age. But that was the whole consequence: a need to update their data with the airline).

bitwize 13 hours ago|
Whenever Steam's web site asked me for my date of birth before allowing me to view a game trailer, I would punch in January 1, over 10 years after my actual date of birth (still well within grown-ass man territory because I'm geriatric in gamer years). Because they don't fucking need to know exactly when I was born. Only that I'm old enough.
nvarsj 16 hours ago||
Honestly seems like the moral panic of the day. I was just reading about some “red vs blue” school meme in London which led to a lot of hand wringing and parents keeping their kids at home. The kicker? There was no actually school battles, it was a viral meme (mostly consumed by adults) and the kids just thought it was a joke.

Pretty much sums up all modern discourse in banning social media and doing age checks. When I was growing up it was satanic symbols in the music I listened to.

I guess - wtf is wrong with adults? Why do they feel compelled to control the younger generation?

tonyedgecombe 13 hours ago|
>Why do they feel compelled to control the younger generation?

Mental health issues in the young have gone through the roof since 2010. There is definitely a problem, whether this solves it is another matter.

economistbob 15 hours ago||
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advisedwang 15 hours ago|
Ah yes, Jews control the world, nefariously plotting to undermine good people. Never heard that before
agenthustler 8 hours ago||
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a456463 14 hours ago||
Your ipad babies are not my problem. It's called parenting. Don't do ipad parenting then. We didn't get a SEGA console and cable TV was restricted to only 2 hours. It was fine. It was fun. The only thing I wish for from my child is more time with friends not more screen time.
nonethewiser 16 hours ago|
Enforcing laws against porn companies distributing porn to minors seems reasonable. It's already illegal many places, such as the US. It is then their responsibility to gate by age. It has always worked this way for liquor stores or basically anything else age-gated, including some online services like poker. If you dont want to provide age verification you don't have to.
mossTechnician 16 hours ago||
There is a difference between a liquor store checking your ID, and a liquor store scanning your ID, appending it to a record of your purchase, and uploading it to a service to be processed by third parties (such as insurance companies, perhaps).

(In the US, the latter occurs more often than you may expect.)

sanitycheck 16 hours ago|||
Well, and that service then inevitably being hacked and your ID being distributed and/or sold to miscreants online.

I'm in the UK, I'm normally connected through a VPN these days.

philwelch 13 hours ago|||
It’s possible to build mechanisms for this. Not perfect or foolproof ones. Maybe your phone stores a digital ID for its owner and sets a cryptographically signed “IsAdult” header. If you pull the signing key from the phone you can spoof that, but you can bring a fake ID to the bar too.

The problem is that the people who want age verification don’t really care about the technical details of how it’s implemented and the people who oppose age verification just want unfettered online pornography out of principle, so no one is actually thinking about how to implement age verification in a way that protects privacy.

malfist 16 hours ago|||
When I buy liquor (well, I don't drink anymore, so THC seltzers), the liquor company isn't saving my ID to my profile and then following me around everywhere I go for the rest of my life shouting "This is MALFIST, he's 42! He buys alcohol! He also visited X Y and Z last week and had interests in A, B and C. He's annual income is six figures and buys expensive bourbon."
SiempreViernes 16 hours ago||
Not yet anyway. But there's nothing much stopping Google to offer a "verification" service to "help combat fake IDs" using a web connected camera at the till.
malfist 13 hours ago|||
The incentives aren't aligned yet. Not enough people browse the internet with ID verification yet. So knowing Malfist bought liquor isn't enough, you have to know which browser is Malfist.

Likewise, incentives aren't there for liquor stores. They make money by allowing fake ids to work.

Lio 14 hours ago|||
And Google then selling a service to insurance companies, employers or law enforcement letting them know you occasionally buy alcohol.
mothballed 16 hours ago||
You can absolutely buy for instance tobacco, cannabis by the pound ("CBD" but actually ~20+% THC[a]), explosives(tannerite), alcohol (wine), and guns (black powder, or perfectly functional cartridge pre-1898) completely legally online without ID check. It's really not a problem, which is why most people probably haven't heard of it being one or even realize all can legally be bought online without ID.