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Posted by pabs3 11 hours ago

Motorola GrapheneOS devices will be bootloader unlockable/relockable(grapheneos.social)
735 points | 231 commentspage 4
jMyles 9 hours ago|
Even though there doesn't seem to be huge mainstream consumer demand for this (although I actually question how well consumer demand for privacy and customization can ever be ascertained when the price signals are corrupted by a market where the winning players are essentially chosen by the state, as is arguably the case with both TSMC and Qualcomm), it still feels like the world simply couldn't go on with both iOS and Android become caged, cheapened, fragile shadows of the visions we once had for them (particularly AOSP).
windexh8er 8 hours ago||
Not to be flippant but who cares? People don't know there's an option. I've run Graphene for years and will gladly pay a premium for it. Beyond the bolstered security the battery life is exponentially better than a default Android device because of all the constant background traffic that Google doesn't allow any control over that you instantly have a choice with on GrapheneOS.

And as soon as you start showing these things to people they do start to care and ask how. So the fact that the mainstream is ignorant and doesn't care enough yet doesn't matter because it's very likely a much larger segment of users will care when the tech evangelists they trust stop using IOS and Google Android. That's how these things started and that's how they could very well play out in this scenario as well.

jMyles 8 hours ago||
Yes, I agree in full. Did you think I was taking a position contrary to this one?
dietr1ch 9 hours ago|||
I think we can only expect the demand for privacy to grow into the future given that people tracking in a trenchcoat schemes are popping up everywhere through governmental and private efforts trying to gather data for ads and control.
dmix 8 hours ago||
Not all markets are trendy B2C stuff. The Motorola press release specifically mentioned B2B/corporate sales where security is important and there's plenty of government, journalist, non-profits/activists, etc usecases on top of the usual corporate locked-down environments like banking.
yooastan 8 hours ago||
A physical keyboard device with GrapheneOS would mog
backscratches 1 hour ago||
The future is now (or 2027)! 4" screen and hardware keyboard and graphene!

https://www.clicks.tech/en/products/clicks-keyboard-for-moto...

I cannot overstate my excitement.

WithinReason 2 hours ago|||
Just buy a keyboard case for it, no need for permanent attachment. Or carry a tiny bluetooth keyboard in your pocket:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FWC8G2Q8/

bitwize 2 hours ago||
Ah, Doohoeek, a time-honored, trusted brand.
mrbuttons454 8 hours ago||
Hopefully it gets a port to the Clicks Communicator. From what I understand the bootloader will be unlockable.
alexander9866 5 hours ago||
Does this have more security, Please let me know share the details
Imustaskforhelp 4 hours ago||
Is this feature gonna be on All phones including Low-end/mid-end (4-8Gb ram) and their flagship phones?

It's gonna be huge if that's the case because Pixel's here are expensive, their second hand prices are in "non-global" countries[0] and you have to pay a premium. Also I live in world's largest second-hand phone market and it can have its worries as well.

You can't say to anyone who wants privacy, oh just buy a second-hand pixel. It's just not that easy.

But if Motorola can launch multiple phones and there are always gonna be some deals one way or another (with cards) and as motorola phones are pretty competitive in price, Finally we can have phones worldwide where privacy isn't charged extra.

I have spent some hours looking at online second hand phone stores to find but due to its somewhat rarity, I always feel like being frugal, I am just paying extra for privacy and so I am really happy with decision from motorola using their supply chain of phones and partnering up with Graphene.

I was gonna buy a phone for myself, I was thinking a second hand pixel phone but given the things I said earlier at this point, I might as well wait for a few more months to get the moto phone.

I just hope that they launch an affordable phone with grapheneos. I really don't care about specs as I have been able to live my life with 7 year old motorola phones too in 2026 for sometime.

I will definitely recommend my family Motorola phones in the future and slowly convert everyone to motorola if motorola releases an affordable phone with actual privacy.

[0]:https://www.xcitium.com/blog/news/why-is-google-pixel-not-gl...

backscratches 1 hour ago|
graphene has said only flagships at first, but eventually they hope to end up on lower tier devices.
ChrisArchitect 9 hours ago||
Related:

Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47214645

Jaykob1 4 hours ago||
Hello Moto!
m00dy 7 hours ago||
I think banking apps especially the ones in UK, won't work on this device.
NoboruWataya 2 hours ago||
As domh mentioned, some (not all) banking apps do seem to work well at the moment. My concern would be that what works today may not work tomorrow. My HSBC app seems to get more crippled with every update and it wouldn't surprise me at all if a future update rendered it unusable on GrapheneOS (which is the main thing stopping me from moving to it).

It's probably a pipe dream but I do hope that someone like Motorola officially supporting GrapheneOS will make businesses take support somewhat seriously. If nothing else you sound less like a crazy person when you tell your bank's customer support "I bought a Motorola phone and now your app doesn't work" than "I flashed a custom ROM to my Pixel and now your app doesn't work".

domh 4 hours ago|||
NatWest and Monzo work fine on my Pixel 9a running GrapheneOS. Community maintained list of supported banking apps here:

https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

Google Wallet is not supported at all.

aembleton 1 hour ago|||
Curve works and you can set that up as a replacement for Google Pay.
m00dy 3 hours ago|||
with avbroot ?
domh 1 hour ago||
I didn't have to do any resigning or repacking apks. It just worked installed from the play store.
Fokamul 2 hours ago||
Banking apps will be catastrophe in the future. Petition your bank, you want to use PC web app with certificate authentication.

If they don't support it -> notify them and change bank. Enough people doing this, something will change.

LelouBil 9 hours ago||
Well, I'll surely be buying a Motorola device when GrapheneOS support lands.

I've been running on several half-working recent android ports to my Xiaomi Mi 9t for many years now.

If I can get a modern phone, modern android, my privacy preserved and a hackable phone (to the extent an unlockable bootloader allows, which isn't a given nowadays, I especially hate how Xiaomi does it), I'm 100% sold.

We'll see when it comes out I guess!

tamimio 8 hours ago||
This whole thing feels like a subversion, instead of having graphene independent from devices and widen the attack vector, now the spooks can just focus on the “supported official device” only. That being said, the hardware isn’t open source (cell modem is enough to expose you), some binary blobs for the firmware aren’t open source, motorola is a US company with all what that means, if you are after anonymity or even privacy, I would stay away from it entirely, you will be like a person putting a full mask on while on public, except that mask is scanning your face in real time. You will stand out like a sore thumb, your best strategy is blending in, so the automated systems scanners won’t flag you and thus put you under further monitoring.

The timing is super weird too, when all corporations are pushing for digital ID, are actively lobbying to deanonymize the users, cooperating with gov too to have a smooth pipeline for such process, and motorola the known company of having defense contracts, are suddenly caring about open source privacy?! Cmon

jamesnorden 33 minutes ago||
>This whole thing feels like a subversion, instead of having graphene independent from devices and widen the attack vector, now the spooks can just focus on the “supported official device” only.

Graphene is currently only supported on Pixels, so not sure what you mean by that.

>motorola is a US company

Motorola is owned by Lenovo, a Chinese company.

gf000 5 hours ago|||
You can't have secure software running on arbitrary insecure hardware.
unethical_ban 7 hours ago|||
Lots of speculation, correlation and not a lot of reasonable conclusions.
tamimio 7 hours ago||
The only speculation part is the timing, the rest are facts, only a naive will think a smart phone is ever private or anonymous. Your phone has a unique ID tied to the hardware that can ID you, your cell modem isn’t open source and is equipped with builtin high accuracy GNSS, plus other hardware and its non open drivers that can be exploited, among many attack vectors that are easily exploited on modern smartphones. This issue isn’t unique to phones too, many modern laptops are also part of it, TPM and plenty of hardware that aren’t really open, the only exception is a laptop can be used in an air gapped environment, not really the case with a smartphone, because assuming you managed to do so, it defeated its purpose to start with.

The conclusion here is if you are after anonymity then you should ditch your phone entirely, having a “secure OS” won’t provide such goal but it might bring more attention to you than using of-the-shelf average phone.

scuff3d 8 hours ago||
Jesus Christ...
huflungdung 4 hours ago|
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