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Posted by 1659447091 8 hours ago

TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe(www.bbc.com)
187 points | 133 commentspage 2
maest 6 hours ago|
Do you feel safer knowing DMs are not encrypted?
sethops1 6 hours ago||
Nobody should feel safe using the TikTok client, period.
mullingitover 5 hours ago|||
Not just the TikTok client, anything made by Oracle is risky.
tartoran 5 hours ago|||
Neither Instagram/Facebook's Messenger/WhatsApp.
tamimio 5 hours ago||
And signal
derwiki 5 hours ago||
What do you use for messaging?
modernpacifist 5 hours ago|||
Obviously carrier pigeons carrying messages encrypted with post-quantum ciphers where keys have been sent ahead of time using USPS because no one would be so rude as to read someone elses mail.
tamimio 4 hours ago|||
I have been using simpleX for some time now.
stephbook 4 hours ago||
Do you take "yes" for an answer?

It really depends on whether you think your government is more dangerous than, say, suicide trends, grooming, scamming.

I know the answer is pretty easy for US citizens to answer right now.

0xbrayo 1 hour ago||
unrelated but I'm always surprised by the number of people who don't know that instagram dms are not encrypted by default.
blackqueeriroh 4 hours ago||
There is no way to do E2EE on a traditional social media platform with user-generated content and comply with existing US law.

You can’t moderate an E2EE platform.

lurk2 3 hours ago||
All of Meta’s major properties (Messenger, Instagram, WhatsApp) support E2EE messaging.
ntoskrnl_exe 2 hours ago||
Pretty sure that for Meta the impossibility to moderate E2EE was the point. It’s cheaper to shrug than pay content moderators.
rockskon 3 hours ago|||
Aside from the fact that you can get Metadata and that some communication frequently happens outside of E2EE - what US law do you believe mandates moderation? I'm curious.
tbrockman 4 hours ago||
What law do you believe supports your perspective?
matricaria 3 hours ago||
Since when is E2EE controversial? Not using E2EE should be controversial.
kristianc 1 hour ago|
It's never been controversial, it's the BBC. doing it's usual job of laundering the arguments the establishment want you to hear for domestic consumption.
mysterium 44 minutes ago||
The thing is, it _is_ controversial. At least amongst the general public.

Obviously not in somewhere like Hacker News where there’s a clear consensus, but if you asked a random sample of the UK population “should law enforcement be allowed to compel tech companies to hand over all DMs of confirmed paedophiles?”, I’d bet very good money the majority would say “yes”.

The notion that “Big Tech” can absolve themselves of the responsibility to help law enforcement find child abusers by saying “it’s all encrypted, not my problem”, does not sit well with a large sector of the population.

Whether it’s good or bad is an ultimately political question, and both sides of the debate tend to talk past each other on this topic, but it’s undeniably a controversial point within the broader population.

matesz 4 hours ago||
Fun fact - there is a big correlation between World Wars and compulsory education. Of course governments and big corporations "care" about children. Of course!
tw04 4 hours ago||
Reminder, Larry “citizens shouldn’t get any privacy” Ellison now owns tik tok. If you’re still using it or have friends and family using it you should stop immediately. It WILL eventually be used against you if this regime gets its way.

https://digitaldemocracynow.org/2025/03/22/the-troubling-imp...

dylan604 3 hours ago|
As if. If people haven't stopped using TikTok with all of the other reasons for stopping, then because Ellison is damn sure not going to move the needle.
aprilthird2021 2 hours ago||
What were the other reasons for stopping?
chinathrow 1 hour ago|||
Curbing addiction?
pothamk 4 hours ago||
The core tension here isn’t really about encryption itself, it’s about moderation models.

Most large platforms rely heavily on server-side visibility for abuse detection, spam filtering, recommendation systems, and safety tooling. End-to-end encryption removes that visibility by design. Once a platform is built around centralized analysis of user content, adding strong E2EE later isn’t just a feature toggle — it conflicts with large parts of the existing architecture.

bas 4 hours ago|
Fascinating. What a time to be alive.
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