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Posted by mudkipdev 1 day ago

GPT-5.4(openai.com)
https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-4-thinking-system-card/

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2029620619743219811

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jeff_antseed 1 day ago|
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builderhq_io 17 hours ago||
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readytion 1 day ago||
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chromic04850 1 day ago||
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chromic04850 1 day ago||
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leftbehinds 1 day ago||
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leftbehinds 1 day ago||
some sloppy improvements
elmean 1 day ago|
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spiralcoaster 1 day ago||
This is the low quality reddit-style garbage that gets upvoted on HN these days?
zarzavat 1 day ago|||
What are we supposed to talk about in this thread exactly? The developers of this model are evil. Are we supposed to just write dry comments about benchmarks while OpenAI condones their models being deployed for autonomously killing people?

Yes I'm sure it makes a very nice bicycle SVG. I will be sure to ask the OpenAI killbots for a copy when they arrive at my house.

esalman 1 day ago||||
While low quality, it is extremely important, potentially historically significant too.
Someone1234 1 day ago|||
If it is actually that important, then maybe more effort should be made so it isn't "low quality." Cannot be very important to them if they're disinterested in presenting an intellectually compelling argument about it.

PS - If you think I am not sympathetic to what they're raising, you're very much mistake. But they're not winning anyone new over their side with this flamebait.

patcon 15 hours ago||
Sometimes you throw a brick through a window, not because it's an intellectual thing to do, but because of the hundred people who'll maybe smash the next hundred windows after you do yours.

and then, because any supportive response to all that window smashing is informative as collective intelligence...

and then, bc that all validates that the order that all these clever rules were upholding is illegitimate.

It's how a very stupid thing stands in for a million smart and well-understood things that everyone is also trying to say.

Sabinus 1 day ago|||
You can say your piece about how you don't like OpenAI working with the US military on lethal AI without making Reddit style quips.
Nicholas_C 1 day ago||||
The HN of old is no more unfortunately. Things get up or down voted based purely on political alignment.
karmasimida 1 day ago||||
As programmers become intelligently irrelevant in the whole picture, you would see more posts like this
elmean 1 day ago||
"This account belongs to a lazy person" true
elmean 1 day ago||||
I was just reading the model card...
mycall 1 day ago||||
True and simply vote it down.
elmean 1 day ago||
mycall would also be to do the same
rd 1 day ago||||
Noticeably yes much more than usual. It’s quite bad. I need to start blocking accounts.
fhcbcofkf 1 day ago|||
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mycall 1 day ago||
You are applying a problem which every AI company has, not unique to OpenAI. What about other nation-states making auto-AI robots which kill children, will you still choose to pick out OpenAI specifically? Maybe your concern is too late and dozens of countries already are training their own AIs to do that or worse.
bigfishrunning 1 day ago|||
This company sucks, what about all the other ones that suck hmmmmmm?

All of these VC funded AI companies are bad. Full stop. Nothing good for humanity will come of this.

Computer0 1 day ago|||
You underestimate my capacity for broad hatred
timedude 1 day ago|||
Absolutely amazing. Grateful to be living in this timeframe
bramhaag 1 day ago|||
What makes you think that they see bombing civilians as a bug, not a feature?
elmean 1 day ago||
first real comment, I thought that at first but this could lower the possible users that could be using chatGPT and that would be against us (shareholders)
throwaway911282 1 day ago|||
what a thoughtful comment! HN is so low quality these days
oklahomasports 1 day ago|||
Evidence
skilltissue 1 day ago|||
Don't use the site this way.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Chance-Device 1 day ago|||
You made a burner account just to scold this guy? Don’t use burner accounts this way.
louiereederson 1 day ago||||
I think for your comment to follow the guidelines, you need to explain why the original comment did not follow them.

Customer values are relevant to the discussion given that they impact choice and therefore competition.

patcon 1 day ago||||
Not all rule-following is noble or wise.
elmean 1 day ago||||
AINT NO PARTY LIKE A GARRY TAN HOT TUB PARTY
himata4113 1 day ago|||
news guidelines
adamtaylor_13 1 day ago||
Parlay?
Chance-Device 1 day ago||
Ironically this would actually be a good thing. As we can see from Iran Claude doesn’t quite have these bugs ironed out yet…
MSFT_Edging 1 day ago||
This is the exact attitude that lead to a chat bot being used to identify a school for girls as a valid target.

The chatbot cannot be held responsible.

Whoever is using chatbots for selecting targets is incompetent and should likely face war crime charges.

bananamogul 1 day ago|||
"that lead to a chat bot being used to identify a school for girls as a valid target"

Has it been stated authoritatively somewhere that this was an AI-driven mistake?

There are myrid ways that mistake could have been made that don't require AI. These kinds of mistakes were certainly made by all kinds of combatants in the pre-AI era.

Chance-Device 1 day ago||
Do you think anyone is ever going to say this under any circumstances? That Anthropic were right and they were proved right the very next day?

Yeah yeah, they probably had a human in the loop, that’s not really the point though.

Sabinus 1 day ago||
Targeting and accuracy mistakes happen plenty in wars that aren't assisted by AI. I don't think it's fair to assume that AI had a hand in the bombing of the school without evidence.
Chance-Device 1 day ago|||
What attitude exactly are you talking about? The one that says that if you’re going to morally sell out it would be better if you at least tried not to kill children?
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