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Posted by klausa 3 hours ago

Pentagon formally labels Anthropic supply-chain risk(www.wsj.com)
313 points | 196 commentspage 2
softwaredoug 2 hours ago|
These bullies wilt when everyone stands up in one voice. But when some parties capitulate (OpenAI), it sets a precedent that this behavior is OK. And then it’s not long until you become the target.
hsbauauvhabzb 1 hour ago|
I’m not sure that’s how billionaires think.
pinkmuffinere 3 hours ago||
https://archive.ph/IVDtq
creddit 2 hours ago||
Naturally OpenAI also releases their new model on the same day.

Makes sense, obviously, but yeesh.

oompydoompy74 3 hours ago||
Exported all my chats and deleted my ChatGPT account yesterday. The current administration not liking you is the strongest signal I could possibly have to go all in on a particular company.
harmmonica 2 hours ago||
I canceled my subscription, but have not yet exported and deleted because I'm an idiot, and also because I'm not sure if deleting it will have any actual impact (is it a hard delete? Likely not, even if they say it is).

And I'm just trying to play out what happens if Anthropic, and Google (if they haven't already), capitulate. Am I just going to forego using the best models and suffer any repercussions of not having access when the people who couldn't care less if the military is using AI for illegal uses continue to leverage them? When I say illegal I'm talking about the surveillance-of-US-citizens red line Anthropic would not agree to. The autonomous weapon one I'm sure there are zero laws against and so that wouldn't actually be illegal.

pmarreck 2 hours ago||
It’s not a hard delete because for legal reasons, they may have to retain it
razster 1 hour ago||
Supposedly they hold your deleted conversations/projects for 30 days. If that is true or not, idk, but it was asked when this first started.
soupfordummies 2 hours ago|||
Are you able to view your chats through the .html file in the export? Mine are all garbled, like the JSON's not being parsed properly or something.
eecc 1 hour ago|||
Asked for an export but still haven’t received the mail with the download link
fabbbbb 1 hour ago||
Took exactly 24 hours for me, on the minute..
mnsc 1 hour ago||
Me too, why do they do that?
silveira 2 hours ago|||
Thanks, I had deleted the app from all my devices but not deleted the account. I have deleted my account now too.
jrsj 1 hour ago|||
I am in the exact opposite position — I am such an Anthropic hater (bc I’m forced to use Claude Code instead of OpenCode against my will) that I am now pro-Trump

(this is a joke, please forgive me for engaging in public wrongthink)

lePask 2 hours ago|||
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ainiriand 2 hours ago|||
Work is not good per-se.
GuinansEyebrows 2 hours ago|||
no but it is unfortunately the only option for most of us for now.
drivebyhooting 2 hours ago|||
Oh you’ll still work. As a supplicant on your hands and knees for your capitalist overlords.
pmarreck 2 hours ago|||
This is nonsense, you can’t fire an AI and an AI will never take credit nor will it take responsibility. Humans will always be in charge, because you will never be able to completely trust an AI, because it has no skin in the game, literally.
groby_b 2 hours ago|||
If we could move past the empty rhetoric?

It turns out a working economy requires well paid workers because somebody needs to buy shit

Even "capitalist overlords" (why not "evil bourgeois swine", while we're here) realize that. The "all SWE replaced" jabbering is a sales pitch to the uninformed. I.e. it's more P.T. Barnum than Jay Gould.

drivebyhooting 2 hours ago||
People need to buy food. Are farmers well paid?
10xDev 2 hours ago||||
You made a fresh account to say this or is this ironically a clawdbot
100xLLM 2 hours ago||
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10xDev 2 hours ago||
It is duplicating...

@dang something needs to be done about this.

Edit: it even created an account based on my username. wtf...

hsbauauvhabzb 1 hour ago||
@dang is not a tag that notifies dang. You must email HN.
llm_nerd 1 hour ago||||
The job of every software developer is, in essence, to make people unemployed. This is a particularly silly bit of morality to hang on.
tokyobreakfast 2 hours ago|||
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kelnos 2 hours ago|||
That's not civil disobedience. It's voting with your wallet.
mpalmer 2 hours ago|||
Maybe look up civil disobedience?
surgical_fire 2 hours ago|||
Eh, they are all morally indefensible.

Anthropic had no problems to do business with the current administration until now. Are we to pretend it was all for happy purposes until now?

ecshafer 2 hours ago||
Yeah how could Anthropic do business with the democratically elected government of the United States?
croes 2 hours ago||
Let‘s ignore all the bad things they have done since that, including killing two US citizens.
krapht 2 hours ago||
Even if you don't like the current administration, the rank and file are still out there doing valuable work. The government is more than ICE; it also administers welfare, funds research, collects taxes, and distributes social security payments to the old and infirm.
archagon 1 hour ago||
Easy enough to slap a “not for military or police use” clause on the license, then. Oh, what’s that? They don’t want to do that?
cedws 1 hour ago|||
Don't get too attached. We're witnessing capitalism in its most ruthless form. Any of these companies will discard their principles the moment it becomes existential.
estearum 1 hour ago||
We are quite literally witnessing someone taking a massive hit for not discarding their principles.

Evergreen dril: "The wise man bowed his head and said 'there's no difference between good things and bad things you imbecile'"

cedws 1 hour ago||
What's your source for this "massive hit"? All I've seen is a massive PR upside, despite what I said above.
0cf8612b2e1e 1 hour ago|||
Losing a contract with the Pentagon and potentially all Federal-interacting businesses sounds like a pretty severe monetary hit. One which is hard to recoup by a bunch of $20/month consumer subscriptions.
estearum 30 minutes ago|||
See article: https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/pentagon-form...
pmarreck 2 hours ago|||
Presumably, if a spouse requested being able to have access to your phone at any time for a spot check, and to vet every single outgoing call and text you made, you would still marry this person, because that’s pretty much what Anthropic was requesting. Go/no-go on a per project basis.

No reasonable self-respecting person would agree to that, that’s basically “my relationship with you is contingent upon your guilt, until proven innocent.”

Dear HN: I would like comments before additional downvotes, please, this is not fucking Reddit

amazingamazing 2 hours ago||
If Anthropic changes course will you move to Gemini? If all models do, local llama I assume?
pavlov 2 hours ago|||
Mistral is European and has competitive models.

DeepSeek is Chinese.

Avoiding the MAGA collaborators is not as difficult as you make it seem. Foundation models have genuine global competition.

pmarreck 2 hours ago|||
I wish it was just as easy to avoid the terrorist collaborators; unfortunately, the terrorists and their supporters don’t produce anything
knollimar 1 hour ago|||
Mistral models are competitive? I thought they were far behind
rvz 1 hour ago||||
Anthropic, Google and the rest of them are all just as bad.

Local LLMs gives you the freedom to use a model without a third-party vendor which is the whole point here.

j45 2 hours ago|||
Being model independent and cross-model capable is the required skill.
nickysielicki 3 hours ago||
Does anyone know which law firm is representing anthropic?
grvbck 3 hours ago||
For now it's in-house counsel Jeffrey Bleich, former special counsel to President Obama.

https://www.inc.com/chris-morris/legal-legend-leading-anthro...

tokyobreakfast 2 hours ago||
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Tyrubias 1 hour ago|||
Tainted? Because they refused to change a contract that was already signed to allow for surveillance of Americans and fully autonomous kill bots? I guarantee, if a sane and non-fascist administration ever takes power again Anthropic will be forgiven. Being attacked by this administration is an honor. OpenAI on the other hand…
LightBug1 1 hour ago|||
Well, would you want to given the rotten-KFC-stench of the current admin?
cush 1 hour ago||
Is Claude Code's outputted code also part of the supply chain risk?
neves 2 hours ago||
Is this the reason Claude models disappeared from AWS cloud in Brazil?
parliament32 1 hour ago||
Is there a link to the actual order anywhere? For us FedRAMP folks, the exact order contents actually matter, rather than a journalistic regurgitation. I was hoping one of the links in the article pointed to a source, but they're all just links back to other WSJ pages.
SpicyLemonZest 1 hour ago|
It sounds like they still have not issued any sort of actual order. The "formal label" described in the article is that they sent a communication directly to Anthropic saying they're a supply chain risk.
martinwright 2 hours ago||
Part of me wonders if it was a plan to squeeze between Anthropic & big gov contracts
yoyohello13 1 hour ago|
I'm willing to bet is was a golf course conversation.

"Hey why is the gov using Anthorpic over OpenAI, don't you know how much money I've donated?"

Herring 2 hours ago|
Since the end of WW2, and especially since the end of the Cold War, Democratic administrations have presided over significantly higher job growth than Republican administrations.

https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.c...

keithnz 2 hours ago|
this isn't on topic at all
teachrdan 2 hours ago|||
I think the implication is that democratic presidents are less likely to do dumb shit like this, which harms the economy.
shimman 1 hour ago|||
On the contrary, hopefully this gives the next democratic administration ammunition to take down big tech. Might as well classify Meta, Microsoft, Amazon, and Apple as supply-chain risks too with this logic.

Too bad that Congress has abdicated their responsibility to the executive branch, no reason why Congress couldn't have more control over the Pentagon. The President only has legal authority to command forces, not control an entire institution; but this would require Congress actually doing their job and not justifying more corporate welfare forever.

Herring 1 hour ago|||
A lot of people love watching dumb shit, like watching reality tv. Crucially also they love doing dumb shit. It's a privilege they don't want to give up, like pretending gravity doesn't apply to you.
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